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Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

adesnik — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:44:06 -0000

Generally, it was the same sort of thing about being abandoned by one&#39s own party which had veered to the extreme. I&#39ll have to dig up precise quotes. Should&#39ve realizes this wasn&#39t an automatic one.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

adesnik — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:44:06 -0000

Generally, it was the same sort of thing about being abandoned by one's own party which had veered to the extreme. I'll have to dig up precise quotes. Should've realizes this wasn't an automatic one.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

TheMagicalSkyFather — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:47:23 -0000

I was actually just attacking silly with silly since I dont think either is comparable. The DNC did not screw Lieberman his primary voters did and then a few of his supporters after promises that he would follow the Dem party line joined with Repubs and voted him back in. He may win re-election again but I doubt it seriously if he torpedo&#39s healthcare, my guess is he will lose his chair and his next election he will actually fight the DNC, last time the big wigs bowed out and let him fight on a pretty even field. The DNC played nice with Lieberman even though the Dem voters in the state and the net roots fought them on it so if anything this is like the reverse.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

TheMagicalSkyFather — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:47:23 -0000

I was actually just attacking silly with silly since I dont think either is comparable. The DNC did not screw Lieberman his primary voters did and then a few of his supporters after promises that he would follow the Dem party line joined with Repubs and voted him back in. He may win re-election again but I doubt it seriously if he torpedo's healthcare, my guess is he will lose his chair and his next election he will actually fight the DNC, last time the big wigs bowed out and let him fight on a pretty even field. The DNC played nice with Lieberman even though the Dem voters in the state and the net roots fought them on it so if anything this is like the reverse.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

JeffersonDavis — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:13:52 -0000

I see your point about the "a few old people on the supreme court" deciding an election. But I think that is an unfair comparison. That election had already gone through the primary and general elections. In the case of Dede Scozzafava, she was chosen by a committee, with no direct election from the people. If she had been directly chosen, I would have come out screaming about how the GOP screwed her over, just like I did against the DNC when they screwed over Lieberman.

I personally think that both parties need a few more Scozzafavas and Liebermans - and more preferably more Ron Pauls and Russ Fiengolds.

But the case of Lieberman and Scozzafava are nearly identical in this sense.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

kathykattenburg — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:59 -0000

You have to tell me first what he said.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

TheMagicalSkyFather — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:48:22 -0000

Lieberman is not comparable to this situation but if you want to talk about "chosen by 11 how dare they??" We could dig up an election decided by a few old people on the supreme court. On a more serious note pols lie, its what they do. If they are not lying they are omitting or misrepresenting, this is how they win and this goes for Dede, Hoffman and well every pol I can think of throughout history. Some probably exist that have never been anything but the pillar of honesty but I would guess they only served a single term or were in an extremely comfortable district. As a nation we have only decided that two things are off limits to lie about, intelligence that gets us into a disastrous war and blow jobs, DO NOT lie about those but the rest is and always has been pretty fair game.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

JeffersonDavis — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:13:52 -0000

I personally think that both parties need a few more Scozzafavas and Liebermans - and more preferably more Ron Pauls and Russ Fiengolds.

But the case of Lieberman and Scozzafava are nearly identical in this sense.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:41:52 -0000

As Jack Nicholson said: "The truth, you can&#39t take the truth." And, that goes for most of us when we swing to far left or right.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

adesnik — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:37:50 -0000

Both parties love disenchanted moderates (or alleged moderates) -- on the other side of the aisle.

Here is my question for you, Kathy, and for others who cite Ms. Scozzafava&#39s comments on the nature of the GOP: Did you agree with Joe Lieberman&#39s comments about the nature of the Democratic party after his loss to Ned Lamont in the 2006 primary?

The situations are essentially the same, although Lieberman had won primaries in the past, whereas Scozzafava carries the albatross of being nominated by 11 party officials, not subject to the voters&#39 approval.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

kathykattenburg — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:20:59 -0000

You have to tell me first what he said.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

TheMagicalSkyFather — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:48:22 -0000

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:41:52 -0000

As Jack Nicholson said: "The truth, you can't take the truth." And, that goes for most of us when we swing to far left or right.

Re: “How About Honesty? How About Telling the Truth?”

adesnik — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:37:50 -0000

Both parties love disenchanted moderates (or alleged moderates) -- on the other side of the aisle.

Here is my question for you, Kathy, and for others who cite Ms. Scozzafava's comments on the nature of the GOP: Did you agree with Joe Lieberman's comments about the nature of the Democratic party after his loss to Ned Lamont in the 2006 primary?

The situations are essentially the same, although Lieberman had won primaries in the past, whereas Scozzafava carries the albatross of being nominated by 11 party officials, not subject to the voters' approval.