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A thirteen year old girl, naive or precocious, regardless, wouldnt know the price tag to 'maybe this will help you be in pictures,' any more than grown women or men would realize what price they'd be made/ forced/ pressed to make for some snippet of dream...in this case a price tag that is assault, rape, sodomy, drug injection. Statutory rape doesnt cover this, does it? That seems like getting a parking ticket for having maimed someone in an auto accident during which one deliberately drove into a person.
When this atrocity happened, child advocacy was much weaker. Items like date-rape and even spousal rape weren't even talked about. He plea-bargained for Statutory rape. He served no sentence. He should pay for his crimes.
The fact that Winger and Goldberg defend him is unbelievable.
Great article, Jazz.
The End.
He got away with it.
The only hope for him to do some more jail time is if that guilty plea is not just factually true, as it seems to be, but legally valid -- which it may not be. A re-trial seems hopeless.
Then, I hope for the same for torturers and murderers of the Bush regime. Children were raped in Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
I was there when President Bush was in Iraq. I didn't see him rape any Iraqi children.
For ANY person that raped Iraqis or Afghans, they too should be prosecuted. The military has prosecuted every one of those that has been brought to light and tried. As far as torture goes, I am against it because we must maintain the moral high ground to maintain honor. And for murder? War is hell - quite literally.
After reading Jazz's article this morning and following the links there was mention of a new documentary, called Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired. This doc is available on Netflix so watched it. . .
Looks to me there are two very different issues ongoing on with the case. . .One being the actual undeniable callous and repulsive actions of the accused and then just as deplorable are the circumstances of the trial and legal system from many angles. . .truly a case of justice run a muck. . .
hope others can watch the documentary and see how many layers have piled up. . . Phew!. . .Whoopi could of made an argument that was supportive of Roman Polanski, but the points she brought up are weak and non-relevant to what could be said in support of Roman Polanski and his experience within the American Justice system. . ."
The victim was also in the documentary and one can so readily see why she has throwed up her hands and says, " I am out of here."
And still after hearing the story of the three different attorneys and how they agreed about the mishandling of the case i think the documentary was mis-named and should of been called, Roman Polanski; Prevented Justice and Perverted Privilege. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZbkN93nbw&feat...
Torture is wrong - always.
Did it save American lives back home? Probably. Is that a valid reason to torture? No. However. (and isn't there always a "however"?)..... If I were personally in front of a gentleman that had information that could save the lives of my wife and children, I don't think I would have the self-control to NOT beat him into submission. It's a catch-22 with me. I'm sure there are many out there that feel the same.
But at least we agree that Polanski should go to jail. What a scumbag.
As an individual, that is a perfectly understandable feeling. Torture is abhorrent and I agree that there is never a valid reason to torture. The main crux of the torture issue that did occur on Bush's watch was that it was institutionalized, for probably the first time in American history. Say you, as an individual, are in the situation you describe above and do get the information (if it's even valid, but that's another point) from the torture and even if you save not only your wife & children's lives, but thousands of others, while being a hero you would've also committed a crime that you'd have to answer for. For someone to commit the crime for the greater good, that's a choice they'd have to realize would also carry consequences to their actions (at least, their day in court). Institutionalized torture flaunts the rule of law because it carries no consequences and makes the abhorrent acceptable.
In the meantime there are people thrown in jail for years for statutory rape which was consensual. For instance a boyfriend who may only be a few months older than his girlfriend and they engage in consensual sex may be thrown in jail and his life pretty much destroyed.
I don't see many people, the French, Hollywood types, politicians, etc. rushing to the defense of these people thrown in jail with ruined futures. I don't understand how they can reconcile their outrage at the treatment that Polanski is receiving with their uncaring of stupid "statutory rape" charges brought against people who do engage in consensual sex.
Love it.
I can't help but remember this passage from yesterday's post by Jazz (in the linked article in his update), written by Anne Applebaum:
"Last week, the Czech prime minister was roused from his bed after midnight to be informed by the White House of a non-urgent decision many months in the making: the cancellation of the missile defense program. The Polish prime minister refused to take a similar call (and the foreign minister, to whom — full disclosure — I am married, was asleep)."
She certainly knows what her husband is doing and the decisions he makes in his official capacity.
Also I was struck by the fact that Anne couldn't help herself by getting a dig in at the White House. She mentions that her husband refused to take the phone call placed by the White House to inform her husband of a decision concerning the missile shield. She seemed to take a certain amount of glee (or maybe smugness?) in that fact.
Well, I'm sure that her husband certainly has the right to refuse such a phone call. I'm also sure it happens all the time in capitals all over the world with governments other than the US. But I can bet you that if he found out about the White House's decision through the media then Anne would be all over Obama for not following protocol and having one of his staffers notify the appropriate authority in the Polish government (in this case Anne's husband).
I've never much cared for Anne's columns and I don't read them. Not sure why, but she does seem as though she has something to prove, and a bone to pick. And she lets it sour the quality of her columns.
he's a pedophile who, if convicted of this crime today would spend the rest of his life as a convicted child sex offender.
but i do have concerns about the lack of interest in what the survivor wants....in fact, i'm hearing almost nothing about her. what the hell? shouldn't she be who we care about? she's who was assaulted.
for more on that, check out here: www.sugartheshop.blogspot.com
"Bonus" points for those who not only defend the scumbag but hate The Establishment, rad-lefty-style.
AND, we could arrange for Polanski not to spend time in the USA, but in -- Cuba, at Guantanamo.
[grin] I hope he doesn't expect to be given the "Fidel" celebrity treatment there, if that were to happen.
(Oh, if only...)