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Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

DLS — Sat, 03 May 2008 17:47:48 -0000

"Holly calls him a bigot because he has had the audacity to speak out against Israeli brutality towards the Palestinian people."

Nice superficiality and omission of reality. Too bad his words weren't accompanied by strumming and swooning by Joan Baez, eh? Or in earlier times, a guest appearance at one of his speeches by Arafat, or now, by Hamas?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/p...

http://www.adl.org/special_...

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

runasim — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:48:51 -0000

HOLLY - It would really help if you provided more than one liner insults. Few of us are mind readers. I've defended your right to express your opinions without harassment in the past, but cartoon balloons of vindictiveness don't constitute a reasoned opinion. . it's really like throwing a stink bomb in a room and then running away.

I'll be turning to other sources to find out what happened in London.

MARLOWECAN-
I see that you think that all bad things have come from the 'Left". The serpent in the Garden of Eden was probably a card carrying socialist, right?
Though you seem to have a list of facts and factoids at your disposal, this simplistic style of analysis makes it hard to rummage through your comments to dig them out..

I don't know if I'm alone in this, but the net result is that I'm left totally uninterested in what you're trying to convey. And that's too bad.
People like I are trying hard to avoid geting stuck in divisivess or wearing political blinders. This sort of approach just turns me off, and it turns off one avenure of enlightenment in the process.

If i want to find out about London politics, I'll be turning to other sources.
Is that really the effect you were going for?

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

ChrisWWW — Sat, 03 May 2008 15:45:33 -0000

I didn't say using Boris Johnson's full name didn't carry it's own implications. I'm just saying don't be surprised that you get called a racist fear monger after using Hussein. We clear?

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Weightman — Sat, 03 May 2008 15:35:16 -0000

Let me see if I have this straight. It's fine to mockingly use Boris Johnson's full name when it reinforces the left-wing talking points that he's a posh twit, a bounder, a cad, a 21st century Flashman with "foul, larcenous and over-privileged friends" etc.

But, the occasional use of Obama’s full name will raise suspicions among bien-pensants that I am a racist or Islamaphobe. Oh well, to the pure all things are pure.

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

ChrisWWW — Sat, 03 May 2008 13:28:07 -0000

Weightman,
No one is saying you can't use Obama's full name. You're just going to be called out for using a very ugly style of politics. Congrats!

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

DLS — Sat, 03 May 2008 12:49:18 -0000

Clinton or Obama now have another VP candidate. Or will he succeed Bloomberg? [snicker]

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Weightman — Sat, 03 May 2008 12:37:03 -0000

"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson." Is it permissible to refer to Barack Hussein Obama now?

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Marlowecan — Sat, 03 May 2008 08:47:21 -0000

The fact that Johnson has been elected speaks volumes about the collapse of Labour in the UK under Brown...and the arrogance of the Left too long in power.

In part, this was Red Ken's failure...but also in part, it was the national collapse of the Left/Labour vote in local elections across Great Britain.

Johnson has a rep as a bit of a clown...but I suspect he is pretty smart and devious under that.

Red Ken defeated himself...with his aides resigning under corruption investigations...his TOTAL dependence upon the minority vote for political survival, and his contempt for the middle class and the white working class....

But it was mainly the arrogance. For example, his elimination of the beloved red Routemaster double-decker buses - a symbol of London for generations - in favour of the bendable buses everyone hates. When people complained, Red Ken's response was essentialy "FU...I know better."

Davebo: "by stoking up fear of violent crime"

These fears are very real. Ironically, Red Ken did a lot to support "neighbourhood policing"...but couldn't really talk much about it, as Left activists would have risen in rage. Johnson exploited it.

But people are very worried about crime in the UK. Yob and chav culture...binge drinking and random violence and death...no right of self-defense under the law.

Out of Red Ken's control, of course, but he was a symbol for it all.

Re: Holly's post...maybe it has something to do with Red Ken's "concentration camp" guard comment?

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Davebo — Sat, 03 May 2008 08:05:06 -0000

London is screwed, if they weren't already.

http://www.newstatesman.com...

Boris Johnson is a dishonest, incompetent clown, whose life has been a story of contemptuous, self-serving privilege. The fact that he may on 1 May be elected Mayor of London tells us something very unsavoury about the ways in which Britain continues to be disfigured by social class.

The facts about Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson are well-known, and should be more than sufficient to stop him being a plausible candidate for any kind of elected office in a mature democracy. He is a man who has lost a number of jobs for lying: he was sacked from The Times for making up a quotation from his godfather, the Oxford historian Colin Lucas, and lost his front-bench role, under Michael Howard, for lying about his four-year extra-marital affair with his fellow toff journalist, Petronella Wyatt. (For men like Johnson, with friends in high places, serial sackings are no bar to advancement.)

As well as being a famous liar, Johnson has skirted the borders of criminality when it has suited his interests or those of his foul, larcenous and over-privileged friends. In 1990 he agreed to give the home address of journalist Stuart Collier to Darius Guppy, a narcissistic Old Etonian convicted fraudster, who wanted to have Collier beaten up in revenge for some perceived slight. On being asked how badly Collier would be beaten up, Guppy informed Johnson that it would involve “a couple of black eyes, a cracked rib … or something like that”.

It is beyond satire that the man campaigning for the mayoralty of London by stoking up fear of violent crime should once himself have been involved in the attempted commission of an instance of GBH. Despite his new found enthusiasm for the Metropolitan police, did he alert the authorities to Guppy’s intentions? No doubt he takes the view that police attention should just be “for the little people”, and not for his odious chums from Eton.

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Davebo — Sat, 03 May 2008 07:29:00 -0000

Another mindless rant by a single issue poster.

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

Charles C. Evans, Jr. — Sat, 03 May 2008 06:51:10 -0000

Holly calls him a bigot because he has had the audacity to speak out against Israeli brutality towards the Palestinian people. God forbid Palestinians be treated as human beings, equally and compassionately as our foreign policies treat the Israeli's.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/p...

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

templestark — Sat, 03 May 2008 05:13:04 -0000

Oh please Holly, what do you know that you call him a bigot? Or vicious. I can't believe this made it as a post. Flesh the reactionary statement out a bit, eh?

Re: Bye-Bye Red Ken!

ChrisWWW — Sat, 03 May 2008 03:22:30 -0000

I don't know much about him. What makes Livingstone a bigot?