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Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

redbus — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:14:58 -0000

Hey PE, that one gave me my first laugh of the day...thanks!

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

redbus — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:14:58 -0000

Hey PE, that one gave me my first laugh of the day...thanks!

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

Rudi — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:33:41 -0000

At least no brought up Limpbaughs Anal Cysts. ;-)

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

rudi — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:33:41 -0000

At least no brought up Limpbaughs Anal Cysts. ;-)

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

tidbits — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:23:33 -0000

For the life of me, I don&#39t understand some people&#39s problem with TMV&#39s center-right slant, and the constant victim-role-play every time they whine about it...and whine about it...and whine about it...and whine - well you get the point. At least the center right bias at TMV draws comments, most of which are pretty good, other than the "poor-persecuted-ideological-minority-victim-is-me" whining about being shackled to a keyboard and forced at gunpoint to read TMV.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

nicrivera — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:38:21 -0000

As far as bias goes, I think its important to distinguish between partisan bias and ideological bias.

Partisan bias refers to bias towards one particular political party. One unfortunate result of partisan bias is that some people become so strongly attached to a political party that they begin to adopt a "my party, right or wrong" type attitude. Another unfortunate result of partisan bias is that because partisans will often put party first and principles second, such partisans will often become unmoored from any set of coherent, consistent political beliefs and instead adopt whatever platform the party offers at that time.

Ideological bias refers to bias towards a particular set of political beliefs. It can be progressive, conservative, libertarian, or even communitarian. The point is that a person with a strong ideological bias will often adhere to a set of particular beliefs even when others abandons such political beliefs when it becomes politically inconvenient. One unfortunate result of ideological bias is that some people will believe in a particular political philosophy so strongly that they will adhere to that political philosophy even after facts have discredited the utilitarian aspects of such a philosophy.

In general, I have much more tolerance for ideological bias than for partisan bias. Ideological bias is inherent in anyone who is able to engage in abstract thinking. People with a strong ideological bias might be wrong (and in some cases, very wrong), but at least they think for themselves and are willing to stand up for their political beliefs.

Partisan bias, on the other hand, is not inherent; it is merely herd mentality and can be avoided if people simply avoid forming strong attachments to a single political party. I have a very difficult time respecting people who place party above principles. Moreover, it is very difficult to engage in political dialogue with someone whose principles are inconsistent and incoherent and fluctuate with according to the prevailing political winds of fortune, as is common among partisans.

Everyone here at TMV, myself included, has an ideological bias, however weak or strong. It cannot be helped, nor should we be ashamed of it. It is the diversity of thought here at TMV that I feel is one of TMV&#39s strengths.

As far as partisan bias goes, I certainly do not think that TMV maintains an even balance between the two major political parties at all times. However, there are a handful of people at TMV who do have a strong record of avoiding partisan bias and offer a set of political opinions not to be found in either of the two major political parties.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

tidbits — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:23:33 -0000

For the life of me, I don't understand some people's problem with TMV's center-right slant, and the constant victim-role-play every time they whine about it...and whine about it...and whine about it...and whine - well you get the point. At least the center right bias at TMV draws comments, most of which are pretty good, other than the "poor-persecuted-ideological-minority-victim-is-me" whining about being shackled to a keyboard and forced at gunpoint to read TMV.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

SteveK — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:20:40 -0000

Ya gotta love those TMV bashers they&#39re so original.

One dislikes TMV so much that he&#39s made 8461 comments [sigh]... the other 2249. You must be doing something wrong Joe giving these unhappy, badmouthing, woe-is-me righties a voice here on your super-liberal left-wing blog. /snark

The "TMV is biased" game is just silly boys, if TMV were biased and slanted, like say RedState or PoliGazette, you&#39d have been dealt with a long time ago in the traditional, time honored wingnut manner... BLAM!

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

DLS — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:44:15 -0000

"Wouldn&#39t it be a better use of time to praise him for saying this"

This is what a typical person, or a moderate, would do. Joe, and this Web site, are not moderate.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

nicrivera — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:38:21 -0000

As far as bias goes, I think its important to distinguish between partisan bias and ideological bias.

Partisan bias refers to bias towards one particular political party. One unfortunate result of partisan bias is that some people become so strongly attached to a political party that they begin to adopt a "my party, right or wrong" type attitude. Another unfortunate result of partisan bias is that because partisans will often put party first and principles second, such partisans will often become unmoored from any set of coherent, consistent political beliefs and instead adopt whatever platform the party offers at that time.

Ideological bias refers to bias towards a particular set of political beliefs. It can be progressive, conservative, libertarian, or even communitarian. The point is that a person with a strong ideological bias will often adhere to a set of particular beliefs even when others abandons such political beliefs when it becomes politically inconvenient. One unfortunate result of ideological bias is that some people will believe in a particular political philosophy so strongly that they will adhere to that political philosophy even after facts have discredited the utilitarian aspects of such a philosophy.

In general, I have much more tolerance for ideological bias than for partisan bias. Ideological bias is inherent in anyone who is able to engage in abstract thinking. People with a strong ideological bias might be wrong (and in some cases, very wrong), but at least they think for themselves and are willing to stand up for their political beliefs.

Partisan bias, on the other hand, is not inherent; it is merely herd mentality and can be avoided if people simply avoid forming strong attachments to a single political party. I have a very difficult time respecting people who place party above principles. Moreover, it is very difficult to engage in political dialogue with someone whose principles are inconsistent and incoherent and fluctuate with according to the prevailing political winds of fortune, as is common among partisans.

Everyone here at TMV, myself included, has an ideological bias, however weak or strong. It cannot be helped, nor should we be ashamed of it. It is the diversity of thought here at TMV that I feel is one of TMV's strengths.

As far as partisan bias goes, I certainly do not think that TMV maintains an even balance between the two major political parties at all times. However, there are a handful of people at TMV who do have a strong record of avoiding partisan bias and offer a set of political opinions not to be found in either of the two major political parties.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

AustinRoth — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:19:28 -0000

My prediction: there will be no apology and the fact that there is no apology will never be reported.

Are you implying that TMV is as unbiased, unslanted, and as fair towards Republicans as say the NYT or the LA Times?

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

VeratheGun — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:04:22 -0000

Eric Cantor is SO smarmy. I know politicians in general are smarmy, but I can&#39t even stand to look at this guy. Just took an instant dislike to him. And I can&#39t even say that about Rush--he reminds me of my dad.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

tidbits — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:41:33 -0000

No apology.

But, if there is no apology, who will report that Cantor didn&#39t apologize, and how long would he/she/they wait to report it? My prediction: there will be no apology and the fact that there is no apology will never be reported.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

SteveK — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:20:40 -0000

Ya gotta love those TMV bashers they're so original.

One dislikes TMV so much that he's made 8461 comments here [sigh]... the other 2249. You must be doing something wrong Joe giving these unhappy, badmouthing, woe-is-me righties a voice here on your super-liberal left-wing blog. /snark

The "TMV is biased" game is just silly boys, if TMV were biased and slanted, like say RedState or PoliGazette, you'd have been dealt with a long time ago in the traditional, time honored wingnut manner... BLAM!

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

DLS — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:44:15 -0000

"Wouldn't it be a better use of time to praise him for saying this"

This is what a typical person, or a moderate, would do. Joe, and this Web site, are not moderate.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

AustinRoth — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:19:28 -0000

My prediction: there will be no apology and the fact that there is no apology will never be reported.

Are you implying that TMV is as unbiased, unslanted, and as fair towards Republicans as say the NYT or the LA Times?

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

ksb43 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:04:22 -0000

Eric Cantor is SO smarmy. I know politicians in general are smarmy, but I can't even stand to look at this guy. Just took an instant dislike to him. And I can't even say that about Rush--he reminds me of my dad.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

tidbits — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:41:33 -0000

No apology.

But, if there is no apology, who will report that Cantor didn't apologize, and how long would he/she/they wait to report it? My prediction: there will be no apology and the fact that there is no apology will never be reported.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

ProfElwood — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:41:25 -0000

If we allowed silliness like that, then principles might follow. That might lead to honesty, intelligent debate, concern for long term effects... it&#39s a slippery slope.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

Silhouette — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:10:20 -0000

Hey Stevo, I only said that half in jest because of Olberman&#39s commentary last night on his show where he counted I think a dozen or two references Pus Windbagh had made to his anal region on his show over the years.

I thought it might titillate old Pus...lol.. still though, put me in for an apology in four days.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

redbus — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:39:18 -0000

Wouldn&#39t it be great if no one was running either party, i.e. Repubs and Dems could vote their own conscience, or the best interests of the constituents who sent them there, without any arm-twisting from party leaders? That would be great political theater!

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

adelinesdad — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:35:39 -0000

Back in the good ol&#39 days we waited until people actually made a fool of themselves before mocking them, rather than doing it right after they&#39ve shown some spine. It is all in the name of progress I suppose: it is much more efficient this way.

Wouldn&#39t it be a better use of time to praise him for saying this and get behind him so that maybe he will be less inclined to apologize? No, I guess that would kill one of the best talking points the Democrats have going for them.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

karenvogel — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:16:33 -0000

I&#39m just relieved a Republican said something. Maybe this time someone else will back him up. I bet there&#39s no apology.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

vey9 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:58:46 -0000

" (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)"

Does this mean there is a pool? I&#39m in for a buck.

Re: Cantor Criticizes Limbaugh (Take Bets On Apology Date Now)

SteveK — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:49:58 -0000

I give Cantor four days until he&#39s planting the dirty kiss on Rush&#39s behind.

There she goes again... It seems like Sil just can&#39t get beyond telling gay jokes! :-)