The Moderate Voice - Latest Comments in CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

indianscout1929 — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:39:14 -0000

da silva,
i agree with you 100%
unfortunately i am white, but i hate my fellowpartners,, i hope god qwill once punishe all those fucking white liars and cheeters and murderers.

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

full_version_games — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:00:12 -0000

I agree with you

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rohan_de_silva — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:07:18 -0000

This is a CLASSIC case of White people trying to make something out of nothing. Personally, as a non-White, I hope that stupid LHC will create a massive black hole and suck all of us including White people and put us out of our misery. We are sick, fedup, tired and bored to death of White people and their crap. Why can't you White people mind your own freaking business?? I ask you.

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$56978 — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:26:42 -0000

They're not investigating this because, they've done their research. According to CERN's website, I quote "We collide particles and by doing so, we just reproduce what Nature does since ever. Indeed, natural particles coming from our Universe collide every second with the Earth atmosphere at energies much higher than those we reach in our powerful machines." If there were some terrible problem created by CERN's LHC we would have already experienced it. What they are experimenting at CERN is nature in a controlled environment with devices capable of detecting these particle collisions.
Second: Since the particles will be going near the speed of light, and colliding, the energy produced is around 14 tera electronvolts. With that amount of energy and the size of the MBH only being a neutrino, the MBH only needs a little bit of the energy created by the collision to escape. The MBH (micro black holes) will be moving at a very high rate of speed and only need an escape velocity of approximately 250,000 mph. Also MBH are theorized to be a rare occurrence.

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WorldSentinel — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:54:26 -0000

Jazz, it's simple physics. When two bodies of the same size, traveling at the same speed, collide with each other at the same point, none of those bodies bounces away, but stay right where they collided, like what will happen at the LHC. So if protons traveling at each other at light speed, collide with each other at the same point, creating a micro black hole, it wont bounce but remain stationary, then gravitate towards the Earths core.

If cosmic rays were to create black holes, which is not likely since they're colliding with stationary particles on Earth, since the Earth can't move a centimeter without getting hit by cosmic rays, but if the cosmic rays were able to create them, they will harmlessly bounce through us into space. Now there is no way Cern's safety report can compare colliding protons at the LHC, which are not stationary, colliding with each other at the same speed, with cosmic rays hitting stationary particles on Earth. What's sad is that everyone, including the New York Times, are not investigating this, questioning it, but just relaying CERN's bogus report that all is good.

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WorldSentinel — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:24:59 -0000

Testing comments. I tried to post one before, to you Jazz, but the The Moderate Voice prevented me from posting it, then removed comments all together for about 10 minutes. Hope this gets through so I can respond to your question.

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Jazz — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:43:26 -0000

I was only going on Dr. Wagner's description of how they would behave during that YouTube radio interview. By the way, I was on the phone with him last night and we'll be interviewing Dr. Wagner about these questions, the legal defense fund, etc. on Wed. during our show.

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JTankers — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:05:39 -0000

The question was asked (paraphrase) "if micro black holes are created by the LHC, would they be captured by Earth's gravity and drift toward Earth's core ".

If the LHC creates micro black holes, it is generally accepted that some percentage would be captured by Earth, likely orbiting through Earth.

From the LSAG Safety Report 2008 (http://environmental-impact...

"[stable microscopic black holes] produced by the LHC could remain on Earth"

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

Jazz — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:23:16 -0000

One of my main questions is to do with the "stationary" part. It's my understanding from all the reading I'm doing so far (keeping in mind this is from a completely uneducated, layman's view) is that any MBHs created will be moving at a very high velocity, so they wouldn't likely be just sitting there and drifting down toward the Earth's core. Have you seen something different?

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

WorldSentinel — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:27:32 -0000

One major problem with Hawking Radiation, if a stationary black hole is created, it will gravitate towards the Earth's core so fast, we wont know if it evaporated or not, but I'm sure the people at CERN with their book smart PH.D's will say it evaporated, in hope they can get their Nobel prize in physics seconds before implosion.

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Jazz — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:15:11 -0000

It does seem as if we are placing one heck of a large bet on Hawkings being right about the Hawkings Radiation (and his shot at a Nobel Prize at long last.) If he's right, the MBHs will evaporate harmlesslly. If he's wrong, we have an unwelcome guest at the party who may well not only eat all the food, but the house as well.

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

WorldSentinel — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:18 -0000

The Pool Table Effect.

The problem with CERN's report, you can't compare colliding protons at the Large Hadron Collider to cosmic rays. The cosmic rays are hitting a stationary object, Earth, bouncing particles harmlessly into space. Kind of like a cue ball hitting racked balls on a pool table. Now the protons in the Large Hadron Collider are like cue balls colliding with each other, minus any stationary balls. And what happens when two cue balls traveling at the same speed collide with each other, they don't bounce anywhere, but stay right where they collided. So if the LHC were to create black holes with these collisions, it wont bounce into space harmlessly, but remain stationary, gravitating towards the Earths center.

Physicists at CERN are depending on an unwitnessed unproven theory to protect Earth against micro black holes from growing, Hawking Radiation, which has already been proven in error once, admitted by Stephen Hawking when he lost a bet to John Preskill of Caltech.

Re: CERN and LCH Black Holes: Part Three

Jazz — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:16:36 -0000

Your memory is fine, StockBoySF. Duing the Manhattan project, when the hydrogen bomb was being developed, there were some scientists who speculated that lighting off what was, in effect, a miniature sun on the Earth's surface would spark a fusion reaction with the molecules in the atmoshpere and effectively blow up the entire biosphere. Fortunately it didn't happen because once the pressure is released from the system, the fusion process shuts down, but yeah. We've taken some crazy chances before.

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StockBoySF — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:09:54 -0000

Given the possible effects of this experiment, the scientists can't err on the side of caution enough.

I seem to recall (well, it was way before my time but I think I read somewhere) that when the scientists were pursuing the nuclear bomb no one exactly knew what would happen once there was a nuclear explosion... wasn't there a group of scientist who thought the whole atmosphere would be destroyed or something? So I wonder how scientists would rank these experiments on the global catastrophe scale- leading up to the actual "discovery". Would a black hole be considered more catastrophic than sparking a nuclear explosion (before we had actually done so)?

BTW: I remember reading some scifi book as a kid where the black hole lodged in the Earth's core and was slowly eating up the planet. It wasn't the main story line which was about space colonization.

Thanks, Jazz for the posts!