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Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

DLS — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:37:26 -0000

BDS is real, Rudi. (It's Reagan Derangement Syndrome on steroids.)

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

rudi — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:39:59 -0000

DLS says:

The tasteless looking-for-the-WMDs-under-the-table joke by Bush was what began to sour me on him.

But that sounds like BDS...

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

StockBoySF — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:19:22 -0000

Of course Billary will distort the issues surrounding the Iraq war and their support because they can't win on the facts. All they can do is keep the issue open and muddled so people can't finally make up their minds as to what Billary actually did and did not do.

This issue is clearly one of Hillary's biggest liabilities but I see her prolonging it more than she should. Though I suppose it could be smart strategy be pre-emptively bringing it up- she gets her side (untruths) out there first, rather than have her opponents get the real record which she s forced to respond to.

It doesn't matter that Bill's statements are crazy- that's not the point nor the strategy.

If you want this same sort of attitude in the WH in the next administration, then by all means go ahead and vote for Hillary. You get two polarizers for the price of one- it's a great sale and the best part is they're at 90's prices!

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

StockBoySF — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:09:47 -0000

I'm not a Hillary supporter... but I can forgive her Iraq war vote. Bush clearly mislead the country.

I actually opposed the war at the time because I thought Bush was misleading us. (As you might recall millions of people all over the world marched in the streets- numerous times- to protest any planned invasion). Bush was pushing for the war against terrorists when we all knew the terrorists were elsewhere- also Bush did not allow the UN weapons inspectors to complete their job- and he had earlier said that they should complete their job- lastly when Bush said (effectively, I'm paraphrasing), "Trust us, we have evidence that Iraq has WMDs and once we get in we can show you." That last insane logic from Bush really put me over the top and clinched his untruthfulness for me. If Bush had evidence, then why couldn't he show us before the war? And why was he shoving the UN inspectors out before they could complete their job? the only reason I could come up with is that he had his own reasons for invading Iraq and if he allowed the UN to stay in and they issued a final report saying that Saddam had no WMDs nor was trying to reconstitute its WMDs programs, then Bush could not have gone into Iraq.

But anyway, I can not forgive Hillary her Iran vote last fall since I see the game as the same old Bush game (as with Iraq- knowingly misleading the country)- and she fell for it this time, just like she fell for Bush's Iraq lies. It's just more of the same with Hillary. Fortunately Bush can't invade Iran as easily as he went into Iraq.

Don't misunderstand me- I didn't much care for Saddam, but we had effectively castrated him with the no-fly zones and all those sanctions. So I thought he was contained and was not threat. And I believe Iran should be dealt with now (and dealt with effectively), though it is Bush's comments (and his subsequent refusal to even talk to them) in 2002 about Iran, Iraq and N. Korea being the axis of evil that pushed Iran over the edge.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

shaun — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:19:16 -0000

Cosmo:

Excellent point.

Idiosyncrat:

No, I feel no shame.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

Idiosyncrat — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:41:03 -0000

Shaun, there's no shame in having supported the war based on the evidence that was presented at the time.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

DLS — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:49:04 -0000

Nearly everyone supported the war. Many liberals did so begrudgingly, as a dirty job that was cheaper and more easily done now than later. But they were not big fans of the war and at least one of them said something to me that I believe others on the Left share: "Just show us the WMDs."

The tasteless looking-for-the-WMDs-under-the-table joke by Bush was what began to sour me on him.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

DLS — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:37:02 -0000

Hillary Dillary Dock,
That witch would turn back the clock,
With utopian dreams and socialist schemes,
And the nation much deeper in hock!

-- DLS, 1993, true more than ever today as well

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

cosmoetica — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:32:44 -0000

Shaun: 'For the record, I initially supported the war, albeit reluctantly, because I bought into the Bush administration’s lies.'

Ditto for me, Shaun, but there's a big diff. Neither you nor I had access to classified docs and unclassified info from other intel sources that laid great doubt on the WMD claims. Hillary & the Dems did. She's a hack, and one with no sense of decency.

She is spineless, like the rest of the D's who supported the war and shd have known better.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

Dave_Schuler — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:39:07 -0000

The only permanent conviction that either Bill or Hillary Clinton has is that one of the other of them should hold political office. Is there a more credible explanation for the vagaries of their opinions about Iraq over the last five years?

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

rudi — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:19:32 -0000

LOL Shaun - You must now suffer from ABC(Anything But Clinton) on top of your BDS. But Billyboy was the first black POTUS...
For him to talk in Rovian code words is a disgrace, but the Clinton's and integrity are mutually exclusive.

Re: Clintons Against the War Before For It

DLS — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:58:44 -0000

Bill Clinton remains the toxic waste he was in the 1990s.