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The Moderate Voice: Conservative Website At Center Of Growing Furor Over Attacks On Obama’s Underage Daughter

  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    It was wrong when the target was Palin's kids, and it is equally wrong now about Obama's kids. Simple.
  • archangel · 5 months ago
    DItto, Austin said it well.

    I wonder sometimes, if some sites write their own comments to create a faux controversy, perhaps

    but, then too, just a few months ago I wrote at TMV about being in a coffee shop and men at another table were expressing their dislike for 'that nigger,' Michelle Obama.

    "IT' lives in some people. All the more reason to have discussions about how whether we ought pay much attention to blogsites that allow such..... that tells us again for the 5 zillionth time what we already know, that some have a desire to demean... it really doesnt matter which side or who.

    To me, the issue is not one of this site, but how shall we spend our time? Can something be learned from this, something useful, something we havent known that is very valuable to our peace and health and insight. Or is it another coyote painting itself red with sparklers bursting in order to garner attention for not 15 minutes of fame, but rather hours and days of opprobrium

    There's an old saying that if a child cannot get positive attention, they'll go out of their way to get negative attention.

    Regarding David Letterman, you know I wrote a piece stating my view. I hold to it. Those who wanted to defend his attacks on a girl who had done nothing to him, and to go so low with the demeaning, violates every rule of political comedy, which is go for the highest critters, not the powerless. David Letterman is in danger of losing nothing for his having stepped over the line. Contrast that with the man who is called 'the little commedian of Burma" who has been imprisoned for making fun of the dictator Than Shwe. In terms of bravery and honor, I'd say the little commedian from Burma wins over Letterman as 'ought to be allowed to speak freely,' any day. The commedian of Burma truly suffers in prison. David Letterman didnt and doesnt.

    The two Obama children, the two daughters of Bush, the two daughters of Palin, the daughter of Carter, the daughter of Clintons, it strikes me, that when Herbert Walker was in power, not much was said about the 'sons.' Albeit, Trig Palin, the cruelty aimed toward him is truly an atrocity. But not much about sons including Reagan's son, not much about the Bush sons at all until they ran for office. But, they were grown up sons then, no longer young children, no longer testing the family, no longer infants in arms.

    Like I said, my two cents worth... Austin hit it: Stay out of the pot and kettle business, re those who are children or unable.

    dr.e
  • T-Steel · 5 months ago
    AustinRoth said: "It is about the sudden lurch in politics towards attacking the YOUNG children of politicians. And that is just indefensible."

    110% correct. Palin's daughter Bristol is 14 years old. Obama's daughter Malia is 11 years old. What the heck does attacking either of them prove? It only proves that the attackers are classless, nasty, and scum (whether Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative). 'Nuff said.
  • Don Quijote · 5 months ago
    It only proves that the attackers are classless, nasty, and scum (whether Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative). 'Nuff said.


    Thanks for confirming my opinion of Limbaugh.


    16 Candles for Chelsea

    Still, "Saturday Night Live" saw fit to air a sketch that compared Chelsea, then 13, unfavorably with Vice President Gore's daughter. The first lady was furious about that, and even angrier when Rush Limbaugh took this shot: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat," said Limbaugh. "Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" And he held up a picture of Chelsea.
  • TT · 5 months ago
    Austin is right.
    It is disheartening to read these types of things regardless of political leanings, to know that there are people out there, probably walking around on the same streets as the rest of us, riding the buses, shopping for groceries and these people have so much hate for the people around them because? what? politics? skin color? religion? what is it?
    It's like poison, just reading about it makes me feel ill.
    What is the antidote? For me it's a walk in the woods past the fields of horses and highland cattle I'll feel mostly better, I'll put it out of my mind but what about the people that have so much hate?

    I found this site because of Dr Estes and for a long time I only read her posts. I should go back to that.
    I'll change my name to head-in-the-sand. No newspapers, no reading of 'comments', no TV...
    :/
  • StockBoySF · 5 months ago
    "These proclamations and expressions of rage that seemingly reflected deeply ingrained heartfelt values are then immediately jettisoned when there’s a chance to take an equally cheap shot at the other side."

    I think that's an accurate statement, unfortunately.

    Just as a reminder Obama, to his credit, told people to back off Palin's family during the election.

    The people who are attacking Obama's family are actually making Obama look better. Obama has taken the right moral path and those who actually care about morals (and not those who merely claim they care about morals) see this.
  • dld · 5 months ago
    "The people attacking Obama are actually making him look better". Actually, they are not. Obama's behavior is making him look better. Let's be clear on this: he set the standard and it is up to others to match up to it. If his critics do not, the contrast only sharpens our view of the probity of his action.
  • skippy · 5 months ago
    jwest, harkin & the others are saying that hollywoodoz's alleged sock-puppetry cannot and does not account for all (or even a sizeable portion) of the racist remarks found on free republic.

    it's a shame the dkos poster would muddy the waters w/subtrifuge, but one provacateur (if indeed, that's what happened) is not repsonsible for the deluge of hatred at that site.
  • Don Quijote · 5 months ago
    I know the readers of TMV desperately want to believe Republicans are racist, but the more cautious of you might want to reserve judgment on this story until all the facts come out


    To Paraphrase John Stuart Mill:

    Republicans are not necessarily racist, but most racist people are republicans.

    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    DQ -

    WTF? Was that necessary? Especially in light of the recent kerfuffle in Philly, in which a white-only, private, and VERY Democratic-dominated club refused to honor (until today, due to pressure) their contractual obligation to an inner-city black group of kids for swim time?

    Racism is not the exclusive province of either party, or race, or education level - each has their own practitioners, and we could have a LONG side argument about Liberal racism vs. Conservative racism, soft vs. hard racism, etc. But that is not what this thread is about.

    It is about the sudden lurch in politics towards attacking the YOUNG children of politicians. And that is just indefensible.

    Still simple.
  • tarc · 5 months ago
    @jwest, there are dozens upon dozens of racist comments in the Fr thread about Obama's kids. Your suggestion that they all could be sooper-sekrit socks is ridiculous.

    I've read the "big bombshell" on FR about Perry and dailykos, and really, it is kinda pathetic. If that is what they consider a game-changer, then the Republican party is truly out in the wilderness.
  • T-Steel · 5 months ago
    Another hat tip to AR. And growing up in the 'hood, I never saw "thugs" wearing peace t-shirts. That was beneath them. So the commenters even have those facts wrong. LOL!

    Either way, you just diminish yourself when you engage in attacks like the ones on Palin's and Obama's children. Wow, you can hurl filth at kids! Gold star for you. Whatever.
  • tarc · 5 months ago
    That is the case with a lot of blogs or websites; it is a tiny minority of voices who are the problem, and their comments are frequently removed as most sites do not condone that sorta thing.

    Not so with the Free Republic. Their Dear Leader is Jim Robinson (affectionately known as RimJob in some circles), who condones racism on his site and allows the filth to stay, unedited and unmoderated. Racism runs through the core of the FR as much as it does through places like Stormfront.
  • jwest · 5 months ago
    I know the readers of TMV desperately want to believe Republicans are racist, but the more cautious of you might want to reserve judgment on this story until all the facts come out.

    Apparently, the author of this Vancouver Sun article is Chris Parry, who is otherwise known as Daily Kos author “HollywoodOz”. The facts are just surfacing, but “HollywoodOz” has previous articles advocating that democrats use sockpuppet commenters to leave racist comments on right wing websites.

    Just to appeal to the common sense of most readers here, don’t you believe even the most primitive knuckledragger on the conservative side would realize how a comment like that would look and be used by the left? Don’t you think this would be all too convenient for not one, but a number of commenters on a popular right wing site to attack the children of a black President in this fashion?

    Do yourselves a favor and hold off on the outrage until the whole story comes out.
  • jchem · 5 months ago
    jwest, I read an accounting of this over at Gawker. It doesn't change the fact that the commenters over there (FreeRepublic) are morons. I think its safe to say that the whole of the blogosphere can get pretty well poisoned--you can even see it here sometimes, as the "edited by moderator" tag has been popping up frequently.

    Regardless, AustinRoth said it best in the very first comment on this thread. It really is that simple.
  • StockBoySF · 5 months ago
    jwest, I personally know a few Republicans who are racists and bigots. I don't think all Republicans are racists and I think that the majority of Americans are not bigots.

    It's easy for anyone, including sockpuppets to make a simple racist comment. It's not as easy to express rage and hatred unless you really feel it, as many comments on the site do.
  • AlwaysOptimistic · 5 months ago
    All personal attacks are wrong, but especially against children. I remember Meghan McCain be "slammed" by people about her weight. But what concerns me is the "amount" of hate out there. It seems like you can't have any discussion about just the policy issues anymore without people resorting to personal attacks. I think it must have something to do with the anonymity of the internet. But I do think it is important to "call people out" when you come across it yourself. For example, even though I don't agree with the politics of Sarah Palin, I have found myself chiding those who write disparaging personal things about her. I do my best not to engage in a back and forth dialogue, but only ask for civility. I wish we all would remember what our mothers taught...."If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all".

    I do however think columnists and editors do have a responsibility to step in when comments cross the line into hate. With our "freedom of speech" comes responsibility. It is not censorship, because we all recognize "hate speak" when we see it.
  • Gray62 · 5 months ago
    "the highly popular and lively conservative website/blog Free Republic"
    That's a very deplomatic discription, Joe! Imho "the right wing extremist website/blog Free Republic, highly popular among lowlifes" would be more to the point.
  • DaGoat · 5 months ago
    I'd have to agree with Gray62 here. FreeRepublic has attracted the lowest of the low. Most of the moderates have been driven away which is a shame since there was a time you could find intelligent, spirited and good-humored discussion there. At one time racist comments were not tolerated, I guess times have changed.
  • harkin · 5 months ago
    Hilarious, a KOS idiot who advocates placing racist, hateful comments on conservative sites to discredit them writes a story about racist, hateful comments on conservative sites and gets exposed.......but that doesn't change the story??? LOLOLOLOLOL

    Let us know when you've removed your nose from Obama's backside.
  • jwest · 5 months ago
    Harkin,

    Truth and common sense doesn’t matter much here.

    Even those who “get it” and realize this was a Democrat instigated incident are so brainwashed that they believe the fake comments are what Republicans really think but refrain from putting it in print.

    These are the same geniuses who point to “republican” callers on C-SPAN who start out saying they’ve been a conservative their whole lives, but now they see the brilliance of Nancy Pelosi’s policies.
  • jwest · 5 months ago
    Here’s a heartwarming story of Hope and Change.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/cros...

    It’s a tribute to our political system when the change of power from one party to the other is handled with dignity.

    “Some youngsters ran into Mr Fava’s store to taunt him. “They was pulling down their pants, shouting, ’Kiss my black ass, because we got a black mayor’, swinging their things around and throwing stuff,” said Jennifer Green, 31, a black mother of 10.”

    It’s OK, because Mr. Fava, the previous mayor, was a republican – so of course he deserves any treatment he gets. You’ll notice that this is a Telegraph story out of the UK. It would be racist for an American paper to write something like this.
  • Father_Time · 5 months ago
    Republicans are Racist.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    Republicans are Racist.

    So are Democrats.

    So are you.
  • newtothis · 5 months ago
    Sometimes I get so weary and disheartened. It seems nothing is sacred anymore. I started reading posts on this website in an attempt to educate myself. I don't know what I have learned, if anything. There is so much hate in this world and it breaks my heart. I long to find a place where only love exists. A place where people tell the truth and don't exploit others for political power or greed. It seems like the people we have put in power are just playing a game, and the winner gets to divide up the pie. Is it possible for anyone to be 100% free of any type of prejudice? A lot of people say they are, but I wonder.....
    God help us.
  • Clifford Bryan · 5 months ago
    Don't attack the kids.Thats pathetic
  • newtothis · 5 months ago
    You misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the children. I was sick over the fact the people would stoop so low to slander little children.




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  • Clifford Bryan · 5 months ago