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Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:57:19 -0000

cheer up, sd, you&#39ve still got the rich white man vote. The GOP still thinks they, the racists and the christian right will sustain it.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:46:14 -0000

Greendreams,

The next question is "Can the more conservative aprty ever appeal to non-middle class whites?" I believe the answer is no.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:57:19 -0000

cheer up, sd, you've still got the rich white man vote. The GOP still thinks they, the racists and the christian right will sustain it.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:46:14 -0000

Greendreams,

The next question is "Can the more conservative aprty ever appeal to non-middle class whites?" I believe the answer is no.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:51:28 -0000

true enough sd, but the Dems were quite accomodating, cowardly even, in the face of the prevailing patriotic post 9/11 fervor. By comparison, the GOP has set a new historical record for filibusters in the last 2 years, a harbinger of the obstruction that is to come.

I fully agree with you that absent a serious realignment of its platform, the GOP is in deep trouble, as they have failed since 2000 to win any large city, a majority of even small cities, they lose big among blacks, Hispanics, women and the young. It&#39s a pretty grim picture. Pious bigotry and pandering to the rich, even with a frosting of superpatriotism just isn&#39t gonna cut it any more.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:19:06 -0000

Greendreams,

The Republicans never had 60 seats in the Senate. By 2012, the Democrats will have more of a lock than the Republicans ever had.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:51:28 -0000

I fully agree with you that absent a serious realignment of its platform, the GOP is in deep trouble, as they have failed since 2000 to win any large city, a majority of even small cities, they lose big among blacks, Hispanics, women and the young. It's a pretty grim picture. Pious bigotry and pandering to the rich, even with a frosting of superpatriotism just isn't gonna cut it any more.

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scotthpayne — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:31:32 -0000

superdestroyer, surely you&#39re not suggesting that the Republican Party is banned to the wilderness ad infinitum. A lot can happen in eight years, though certainly there would be a lot of ground to cover if one suggests a four year comeback.

Now, I agree that demographically there is a fair amount going against Republicans, but it is, perhaps, just this kind of trip to the wilderness that realigns perspectives in ways that are necessary to maximally effect policy appropriately.

But it seems equally fair to point out that the kind of change we&#39re talking about is going to run into not insubstantial systemic resistance, so there are no sure bets in this race.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:19:06 -0000

Greendreams,

The Republicans never had 60 seats in the Senate. By 2012, the Democrats will have more of a lock than the Republicans ever had.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:17:56 -0000

Better, I hope, than it did as a GOP one-party state. In any case, now that we&#39ve seen what Republicans in total control can do with a surplus, we get to see how the Dems perform in a time of intense domestic and international disarray. Not really fair, but we play the hand we&#39re dealt. Bushco started on third base and stole defeat.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:05:00 -0000

greendreams,

So, the next logical question is how will the U.S. function as a de facto one party state?

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

scotthpayne — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:31:32 -0000

superdestroyer, surely you're not suggesting that the Republican Party is banned to the wilderness ad infinitum. A lot can happen in eight years, though certainly there would be a lot of ground to cover if one suggests a four year comeback.

Now, I agree that demographically there is a fair amount going against Republicans, but it is, perhaps, just this kind of trip to the wilderness that realigns perspectives in ways that are necessary to maximally effect policy appropriately.

But it seems equally fair to point out that the kind of change we're talking about is going to run into not insubstantial systemic resistance, so there are no sure bets in this race.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:54:45 -0000

"There is no amount of organizing and work that is going to make up for eight years of incompetence, stupidity, and hubris.

What the Republican organizers need to realize is that they had their chance and they blew it."

Exactly right and I couldn&#39t have said it better.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:17:56 -0000

Better, I hope, than it did as a GOP one-party state. In any case, now that we've seen what Republicans in total control can do with a surplus, we get to see how the Dems perform in a time of intense domestic and international disarray. Not really fair, but we play the hand we're dealt. Bushco started on third base and stole defeat.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:05:00 -0000

greendreams,

So, the next logical question is how will the U.S. function as a de facto one party state?

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:55:44 -0000

It does not matter what the grassroots conservatives do. They cannot make up for the demographic challenges facing the Repulbican Party. they cannot make up for the massive lack of fund raising. There is no amount of organizing and work that is going to make up for eight years of incompetence, stupidity, and hubris.

What the Republican organizers need to realize is that they had their chance and they blew it. Now they need to figure out how to promote conservative ideas when every demographic trend is against them.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

GreenDreams — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:54:45 -0000

"There is no amount of organizing and work that is going to make up for eight years of incompetence, stupidity, and hubris.

What the Republican organizers need to realize is that they had their chance and they blew it."

Exactly right and I couldn't have said it better.

Re: Deptartment of Obvious Predictoins

superdestroyer — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:55:44 -0000

What the Republican organizers need to realize is that they had their chance and they blew it. Now they need to figure out how to promote conservative ideas when every demographic trend is against them.