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Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

AustinRoth — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:41:06 -0000

All due respect, there is no proof this man turned on the other soldiers because of religion. I think you are jumping to conclusions. It seems this guy snapped about being sent to combat after dealing with so many post traumatic syndrome patients. But to say this was all about religion is going too far.

What would he have to do to make you think it WAS because of religion, as saying suicide bombing by Muslims is justified (internet postings), that infidels that do not believe in the Koran should be beheaded and have salt poured down their necks (at a professional conference of psychiatrists!), and screaming "Allah Akhbar" while killing everyone near him isn&#39t enough?

Perhaps he should have had his "Islamic Jihad&#39 tee-shirt on, and screamed instead, &#39[Just to make sure there is no confusion over my motivations, I am doing this in the name of Islam".

However, I fear you, and the appologist like you, would still say, &#39Let&#39s not jump to conclusions now."

Jeesh.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

AustinRoth — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:41:06 -0000

All due respect, there is no proof this man turned on the other soldiers because of religion. I think you are jumping to conclusions. It seems this guy snapped about being sent to combat after dealing with so many post traumatic syndrome patients. But to say this was all about religion is going too far.

What would he have to do to make you think it WAS because of religion, as saying suicide bombing by Muslims is justified (internet postings), that infidels that do not believe in the Koran should be beheaded and have salt poured down their necks (at a professional conference of psychiatrists!), and screaming "Allah Akbar" while killing everyone near him isn't enough?

Perhaps he should have had his "Islamic Jihad' tee-shirt on, and screamed instead, 'Just to make sure there is no confusion over my motivations, I am doing this in the name of Islam".

However, I fear you, and the apologists like you, would still say, 'Let's not jump to conclusions now."

Jeesh.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

T-Steel — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:40:13 -0000

Comments (including mine) that didn&#39t pertain to the subject of THIS post have been deleted. Please stay on the topic of this post. I didn&#39t (should know better). Sorry about that.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ThurmanHart — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:01:13 -0000

You didn&#39t change the title, except for when you changed it. Great. Keep up the lies. I&#39m glad to see you think that telling the truth about how our soldiers were killed is worth joking about. I&#39m sure the families of the dead will appreciate the fact that "possible" speaks for itself, especially since there is no possibility whatsoever that their loved ones will ever come back.

Yes, it&#39s all nit-picking. Yes, there is no need to speak up. No, you aren&#39t welcome here if you disagree.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

T-Steel — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:50:41 -0000

My last comment on this: you have twisted nit picking into "lying about our soldiers". I referred to your problem on me adding "UPDATES". But I remained consistent and did not change the title and will not. So you are playing games with me. And since I&#39m a jovial sort of fellow, I&#39ll play:

One fish, two fish... Red fish, blue fish... Nick nack paddy wack, give a dog a bone.... This old man came rolling home... YAHTZEE!

I absolutely ADORE a silly game. And regarding being cowardly, try this for size: the title "Possible Terrorist Attack at Ft. Hood TX (UPDATES)" stays. And if you don&#39t like it, don&#39t read it. And if that isn&#39t good enough for you, don&#39t come to this web site. And if that isn&#39t good enough, have a coke and smile!

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ThurmanHart — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:28:52 -0000

The last thing I&#39m doing is playing. You&#39re simply lying. If you change a title, you change a title - otherwise it isn&#39t changed when you&#39re done. I want the title to change because it is lying. It is FACTUALLY WRONG. Nice to know you think that not lying about our soldiers is nit-picking.

WTF? Forcing anyone to read anything? Honestly, isn&#39t that just a cowardly way to tell me to get the hell out of here? Why not simply be a man about it and say it outright? Oh, I supposed that&#39s nit-picking, too. Yes, wanting people to speak honestly and openly about things is a nasty little habit I picked up. How silly of me to believe it might be important to you as well.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

T-Steel — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:15:43 -0000

Don&#39t play ThurmanHart. Your nit picking. I added "UPDATES" because there were updates in the author&#39s post (she forgot). Something that we do add around here all the time. You wanted the entire title changed since you disagreed with it and we are not changing it. We don&#39t force anyone to read anything here. Thank you.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ThurmanHart — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:07:17 -0000

T-Steel, that is an incredibly weak cop-out. If you added the word "UPDATES" then you edited the title. I&#39d have more respect if someone just said, "Well, it&#39s incredibly misleading and has no evidence to back it up - but it made our page-load stats jump!"

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

T-Steel — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:40:13 -0000

Comments (including mine) that didn't pertain to the subject of THIS post have been deleted. Please stay on the topic of this post. I didn't (should know better). Sorry about that.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

T-Steel — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:12:26 -0000

ThurmanHart,

As one of the moderators on this site, we don&#39t go back any re-edit post titles. I did add "UPDATES" to the end of the post in question. The post says "Possible". And that word speaks for itself.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

DLS — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0000

The guy is alive, and presumably he&#39ll be questioned eventually.

In the meantime, consider past events, including not only the hand-grenade incident at the start of the Iraq war but also the shooting in Arkansas, and look for similarities as well as differences, for what they both are worth.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

merkin — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:56:45 -0000

I couldn&#39t agree more.

My point was that this incident seems to provide fodder for anyone to believe it supports whatever theory they want it to There is no need to jump to a new conclusion when the incident can be spun to support a long held one. Which is what the early commentators seem to be doing. (I have to say though, not so much here)

The past history of these kinds of incidents show that it is hard to find rational reasons for irrational acts.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Polimom — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:10:22 -0000

sparkles43 -- you are perhaps correct. It may be that I&#39m jumping to an unwarranted conclusion, and that this had nothing to do with his religion after all. However, I&#39m certainly not condemning all Americans of that faith; on the contrary, I fear for them.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

redbus — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:36:53 -0000

Thanks, Andy, for the link. There are many soldiers of faith in the military. A frequent commenter on TMV is Jefferson Davis (an apparent pen name), and he apparently is Army, and a conservative Christian, judging by his comments. Likewise, my nephew (a retired Army Captain) appreciated the work ethic of a Mormon soldier in his platoon. So it seems that loyalty to a Christian or Mormon God does not preclude doing ones duty to country. I wonder: Is there something inherent in Muslim faith that would have put Maj. Hasan in an impossible dilemma, a choice between following the dictates of his faith or following the orders of his superiors? I&#39m asking the question, and I&#39m sure I&#39m not the only one doing so today.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Andy — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:03:18 -0000

Col. Pat Lang is the only one who I think has gotten the analysis on this completely right. The key word: "Alienation."

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Silhouette — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:47:16 -0000

Yes, yes indeed. I wonder if Cheney will run with this one?

The message here is "we should hate and distrust all muslims once again".

Which leads to balling up the herd into the "stay in AF/Pak" corral and "let&#39s renew our presence in the Middle East" corral.

I say that&#39s a huge mistake, to think like a dumb cow. I don&#39t recall after massacres by those raised christian or another western religion that we are encouraged to hate all christians and justify bombing churchs and so on..

Remember your head. Don&#39t lose it in the fury dear readers..

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ModDem72 — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:27:25 -0000

This should be a time for overwhelming compassion for the victims and thoughtful, patient analysis ... but instead we have to wade through the screaming hordes co-opting a tragedy to advance their own agendas.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ProfElwood — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:16:30 -0000

I think that the point here is that we need to patiently wait a bit before we embarrass ourselves analyzing assumptions and incomplete information.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

ThurmanHart — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:08:21 -0000

Yes, and TMV is leading the way in being one of those outlets that "are going ape in their campaign to paint this as a terrorist attack by a Muslim jihadi."

No? Why is the title of this piece still about terrorism and the tag "war"?

It is a singular mark of disgrace to this website that it continues to hawk fear and hatred rather than rational discourse. If I wanted that kind of crap, I&#39d go to Red State or DKos. Grow a pair of balls, admit there was a mistake, and change it.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

merkin — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:41:17 -0000

Kind of the perfect storm of crazy. Muslim, a psychiatrist under stress treating PTSD. in gun nut central, Killeen of gun nut central Texas (Geo. Hennard killed 23 there), a graduate of Virginia Tech where Cho got 33.

There is enough here to satisfy and support anyone&#39s pet theories of the root causes of mass violence.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

sparkles43 — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:25:41 -0000

All due respect, there is no proof this man turned on the other soldiers because of religion. I think you are jumping to conclusions. It seems this guy snapped about being sent to combat after dealing with so many post traumatic syndrome patients. But to say this was all about religion is going too far.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Polimom — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:02:39 -0000

This is, of course, the nightmare scenario so many have been afraid of: an American Muslim turning on his countrymen in the name of his religion. Worse yet that he was in the Army himself.

Imagine the thoughts and feelings of the many many Muslims in the armed services today, and the millions more practicing the faith in the United States. I have enormous sympathy for them. Already branded by religious affiliation, they are now faced with the bitter hostility of suspicious countrymen whose worst fears are realized.

This is such a tragedy on so very many levels.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

DLS — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:11:29 -0000

The guy is alive, and presumably he'll be questioned eventually.

In the meantime, consider past events, including not only the hand-grenade incident at the start of the Iraq war but also the shooting in Arkansas, and look for similarities as well as differences, for what they both are worth.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

merkin — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:56:45 -0000

I couldn't agree more.

My point was that this incident seems to provide fodder for anyone to believe it supports whatever theory they want it to There is no need to jump to a new conclusion when the incident can be spun to support a long held one. Which is what the early commentators seem to be doing. (I have to say though, not so much here)

The past history of these kinds of incidents show that it is hard to find rational reasons for irrational acts.

Re: Details Emerging About Accused Fort Hood Massacre Shooter Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Polimom — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:10:22 -0000

sparkles43 -- you are perhaps correct. It may be that I'm jumping to an unwarranted conclusion, and that this had nothing to do with his religion after all. However, I'm certainly not condemning all Americans of that faith; on the contrary, I fear for them.

Editing to add, before I forget again -- Joe, this is a great round-up. Thank you very much!