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{"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Further to my comment above, also please imagine Obama had increasingly alligned the U.S. with Iran and N. Korea, and imported the ballots for the 'referendum' from Iran (with much speculation that the ballots were rigged) instead of printing them in the USA.  Or, since the US tends to use electornic voting, the software for the election was written and imported from Iran immediately (three days) prior to the illegal referendum without any impartial supervision as to the content.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_11:32:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "honduras", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12311428": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "CStanley--<br><br>My comment was addressed to Austin Roth, and contained an obvious, blocked quote, which was from Austin Roth.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_10:10:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12310983, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12266646": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "@GreenDreams<br><br>\"Sure glad you guys aren't MY lawyers.\"<br><br>I'm glad you are just a random blogger who thinks other countries have the right to tell other countries how to run their government.  The will of the people has been fulfilled, deal with it.  The man was trying to pull a Chavez power grab and the leaders stood up for the country.  A country is defined not by its leaders but by its people.  Americans can have trouble understanding that because you worship pop icons like Michael Jackson and presidents like Obama.  You think resolutions have to be passed through governments instead of the will of the people being listened to.  The will of the people and maintaining the Constitution is more important.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:48:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12309382": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Another point about this 'debate' is that it is clearly spelling out the tendency for the Left to ignore the law when it does not provide the results it wants, or to claim the laws must be illegitimate because it 'feels wrong to them'. Failing that, they will then claim the law says the exact opposite of what it actually does.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_09:03:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12282148": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tegucigalpa 0 minutes ago <br>\"Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?\"<br><br>Only GreenDreams is, haven't you figured that out? :)<br>=========================<br>Lol that's the impression that I\"m getting.<br><br>Just so you and any Hondurans know many americans strongly disagree with our government's stance is on this once more and more facts become available. Many people simply parrot what the biased media is saying but many of us also have figured out you have to dig and dig to find the real answers.<br><br>Good luck I hope Honduras continues to hold its ground since it appears to me that there is a world agenda here and Honduras is trying to defend its republic. Americans are doing the same right now unfortunately. Good luck!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:14:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12300170": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Interesting debate exhibiting, imho, that this issue should be left for the Hondurans to resolve.  Either way, they will have to live with the consequences.  <br><br>I especially enjoyed the Obama analogy.  I thought of a very similar analogy last night, but mine was premised on Bush 43 refusing to leave office and ordering a referendum for a third term.  Although my analogy becomes pretty far fetched when the Roberts Supreme Court rules against W, I still found the story more rousing with W as the villain bucking our presidential term limits .  (The analogy gets  truly scary when the Hon. John Roberts installs Dick Cheney as President!)<br><br>Gotta chuckle however at M.V. bloggers posing as Honduran constitutional scholars.  \"The Honduran constitution is really long (more than 300 pages, oh my!!) and it's in a really difficult foreign language called \"spanish\", so instead of actually spending an evening reading and studying it myself, I read a blog (less than a page long!) by a guy who isn't a Honduran constitutional lawyer or anything (nor is he even Honduran for that matter), but he says he has read the Honduran constitution, and he says...\"    ...............  What a hoot!!  ;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_00:43:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "keelaay", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12263052": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have been unable to find any articles of impeachment. My understanding is their constitution does not have a good way to remove the president and that's the problem.<br><br>If someone can point out where they even CAN formally impeach please do. The MSM isn't proving any relevant facts so minor sites and blogs are the only places with real facts.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:01:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12261389": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"And no, you can't do a \"defacto one day impeachment\" when your constitution has procedures in place for an actual impeachment.\"<br><br>So what is your defense for the actions of Zelaya?  If he is going to clearly violate the Constitution AND change it permanently, what is wrong with taking him from power so that the Constitution can stay intact and not be changed without going through the proper channels?  He fired many top military leaders so that he could use the military to his advantage to enforce the changes that he wanted.  I'm glad that the military remembered that they are to defend their country and not just the president.<br><br>Thank you for letting the people of Honduras know how to run their country.  Both sides were in violation of their Constitution but one was a power grab and one was to make sure the Constitution was not changed illegally.  I'm sure there could have been a better way to get rid of mini-Chavez, but shipping him out in his PJs was how they did it.  They didn\u2019t want him to complete his one sided referendum with no oversight that he was going to do the next day because they know that Chavez was a puppet master of all of this.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:28:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12266897": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "How is \"the will of the people\" being measured?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:54:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12266646, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12271122": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "To add to my post maybe there is a formal impeachment process. However due to the lack of documentation of it ANYWHERE and the size of the situation I find it very unlikely. <br><br>Until someone can point it out I have to assume it is purposely not being investigated because it defies the leftist talking points.<br><br>Kind of like how people love to discuss the economic/housing situation and try to act like Freddie/Fannie don't exist, aren't costing $400 billion in bailouts and aren't paying out bigger bonuses than AIG. Yet Fannie/Freddie magically receives no notice.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:20:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "13758652": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama learn dignity  from Honduras's people!!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-31_17:43:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "twitter-22794922", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "4 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12282772": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "GS -<br><br>I am not sure what to call it. It appears to me to be a typical example of a CALA region country that doesn't have a true, long-term history of 'rule of law' fighting over who violated their Constitution the least.<br><br>The thing I really do have trouble getting past is the unanimous Supreme Court and almost unanimous Legislative vote (only 3 dissenters??? the vast majority of his own party voting against him???). If this was the 'typical' coup, I would have expected the courts and legilative branches to be dissolved, or at a minimum his entire party (or vast majority) demanding his reinstatement.<br><br>That isn't happening, though. They themselves are almost to a man defending what was done as necessary, lawful, and constitutional under THEIR Constitution. <br><br>Overall, that makes me think that what they did was a lawful action by the Government of Honduras as a whole, whether I agree with it or not (and I do not know enough about Honduran politics to know that answer, frankly), and whether it would have been lawful under OUR Constitution.<br><br>It doesn't seem there are too many people in Honduras that want him to stay President.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:32:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12281903, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12262446": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Here is my analogy from the other thread for comparison (with a bit of snark)<br><br>125-3 hmmm (that was the Hoduran Congress vote to remove Zelaya, including 59 of 62 memebers of his own party)<br><br>Lets play make believe for a minute. <br><br><br>Democratic Congressmen Charles Rangel, Dennis Kucinich, and Edward Kennedy (who was roused from his hospital bed to cast his vote) went against the impeachment proceedings of President Barack Obama which enjoyed overwhelming bilateral support after President Obama attempted to force through an executive order allowing him a third term which was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Rep Maxine Waters (D-CA) remarked \"This is a sad day, but the Constitution must be upheld. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi added, \"Although this situation was caused by the Republican Party and their reasonless opposition to everything President Obama tried to do, he still has to go. Vice President Joe Biden will be confirmed as President as per the Constitional sucession. Biden made a brief comment, \"We must move forward, and I will uphold the duties of the office to the best of my ability. Its all about that 10 letter word the C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N.\" Biden, when asked by a reporter if he was happy to be the next President responded \"\"Give me a f**king break.\"\" It was uncertain if Biden realized there was an open microphone nearby.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:48:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "Leonidas", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 4, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12256150": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You left out a few key steps in your hypothetical timeline.<br><br>First, you need to add in the step that the ENTIRE Congress of the United States, both House and Senate, voted UNANIMOUSLY to remove the President. <br><br>Since our Constitution allows the House to IMPEACH a President and the Senate to vote to remove him if the charges are founded.  Therefore the actions of the Honduras Congress amounts to an instant one day impeachment.<br><br>Nextg, this step is also incorrect. \"The Supreme Court orders the Joint Chiefs to arrest Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts swears in Mitch McConnell as president.\"<br><br>What is wrong with your hypothetical here is \"Mitch McConnell\" is a Republican.  He is not next in line per the Constitution of the United States.<br><br>You would need to insert 'Nancy Pelosi' in here as she is currently third in line.  The reason it would not be 'Joe Biden' the second in line, is because to keep the hypothetical true to their situation, Joe Biden has resigned his office of Vice President so that he could run for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency has not yet been filled.<br><br>The Honduran Congress put in charge the person who was next in line per their Constitution!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_11:06:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "NickAtNight500", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 4, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12282457": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "George Sorwell I extend the invitation to answer either of my questions. It appears there is a grey area regarding removal of a president in Honduras's constitution. Since you seem to have a strong stance regarding legalities the following questions should be answerable.<br><br>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br><br>Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:22:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12279450": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, give up yet? None of you can show a shred of evidence that Zelaya 1) attempted to extend his term, 2) attempted to allow re-election of a former president, 3) attempted to amend the current 1982 Constitution. Period. You can't prove it. At all. So you insult me and Obama and the OAS and Chavez and everyone who disagrees with you. By the way, I have not defended Chavez in any way, and have made it clear that I'm not a fan of Zelaya. Let me say that again. I DON'T LIKE ZELAYA !!!! Damn. can I make it any clearer. Cmon, folks.<br><br>The clause cited as an impeachment clause is vague. It says basically that the government can investigate any public official. However, as Jazz wrote a half mile up this thread, Congress had begun discussing impeachment, so presumably they think there's a way to do that. But there is nothing in their constitution that shields any Honduran from prosecution for breaking Honduran law. That includes the Courts, the Congress and the Military, all of whom have CLEARLY violated the law, as I have cited. <br><br>Now, time for you to defend YOUR heroes, the military and the new government. They broke into the presidential residence, beat Zelaya (according to his wife), fired rifles in the residence, though none in Zelaya's family were armed, threatened to kill Zelaya and his family. Tanks in the streets, firing tear gas, electricity and phone service cut, press freedom suspended, right to peaceful assembly suspended. You know what? If it looks like a coup, sounds like a coup and reads like a coup, it's probably a coup.<br><br>I have friends in Honduras. At no time in Zelaya's rule did they fear for their homes, their businesses, their investments. Now they are VERY concerned. Tourism, once among the brightest spots in the economy (say, a week ago), has crashed. This is NOT a good thing for Honduras. Suffering four more months of Zelaya's rule sure seems like the better option to me, not to mention, it IS the legal option.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:04:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12277147": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm afraid there may be a big error in this post, which is seemingly based on outdated law.<br><br>It relies on a 1995 Merrill analysis of the Honduras Constitution.<br><br>But the article it cites was apparently amended (repealed in part) as to impeachment subsequently, a few years later.<br><br>Thus, some scholars, like Juan Carlos Hidalgo, say there isn't a viable impeachment mechanism in the Honduran Constitution now.<br><br>That buttresses the argument that Honduras acted legally and democratically in removing its ruler (the use of the military doesn't change that, since Article 272 of the Constitution gives the military the power to enforce term limits, i.e., the alternation of succession, and since the military is used to enforce the law in other countries as well -- think of federal troops enforcing court desegregation orders in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957, against the state's governor).<br><br>It is a strange Constitution, but we have no right to disregard it -- they've held democratic elections for far longer than most of their neighboring countries, who now are hypocritically attacking them for booting out their scofflaw ex-president.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_16:13:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "Hans_Bader", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12273437": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "red herrings. What Zelaya actually did does not violate any of the sections you cite. He did not call for extension of his term, did not call for amending the current constitution, and his ballot measure did not even hint at inclusion of any such measure in a new constitution, if and when one was drafted, which new constitution would have to be approved by the citizens of Honduras. None of this is in any way unconstitutional. Face it, he cleverly avoided all of these things. Read the ballot measure. Even the most partisan writers have not found a way to interpret the actual language of his proposed ballot measure as stating or implying any of these. You can't challenge a contract based on what you believe the contract is intended to accomplish, only what it actually says. And remember, as I said, I don't like Zelaya. I do like the rule of law.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:28:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12316822": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GS -<br><br>Um, sorry, a mistake in whether he should have been sent to jail or removed from the country does not invalidate all the previous actions of their Supreme Court and Congress, as much as you might want it to. It was an 'after the fact' error.<br><br>And it is not 'my' high ground - it is the position of both their Supreme Court and Congress. It is you, GD, and others on the Left that want to usurp their decisions, not the Right.<br><br>Let's see what true lawyers and lawblogs think, along with some actual Hondurans, shall we?<br><br><a href=\"http://zerosheep.com/2009/07/01/no-coup-in-honduras\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://zerosheep.com/2009/07/01/no-coup-in-hond...</a><br><a href=\"http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_05-2009_07_11.shtml#1247020907\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_05-2...</a><br><a href=\"http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/presidents-chvez-obama-et-al-are/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/preside...</a><br><a href=\"http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2009/07/honduras-high-court-rejects-oas-call-to.php\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2009/07/h...</a><br><a href=\"http://hondurascrisis.org/a-letter-to-the-international-community/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://hondurascrisis.org/a-letter-to-the-inter...</a><br><a href=\"http://www.tipte.com/2009/07/javier-corrales-is-the-oas-against-democracy/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.tipte.com/2009/07/javier-corrales-is...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_12:24:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12314089, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12263585": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@Leonidas haha I like it.  Don't forget to include in your story that Obama would have to been using the treasury to fund programs without submitting a budget to Congress for a full year at that point.  And the media coverage around the world after the fact would only be focusing on the Obama supporters who care less about the Constitution and love the man.  Then, all the leaders around the world side with Obama and have no regard for the will of the people.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:07:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12254884": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Your objections bring us back to the question of whether or not Honduras is a true, democratic republic or a banana republic. Yes, Zalaya can \"call for\" a referendum to change the constitution. He can also \"call for\" everyone in the country to bring him a chicken. Without the support of the legislature, the courts or the military, will it happen? Obama also could \"call for\" a third term. Nobody would support him in any official capacity and a new president would be elected. So which is it? Could Zelaya force a change to the constitution in violation of the law and take a third term? If the answer is yes, then the place is a banana republic and there was no hope for it to begin with. If no, then there is no harm in returning him to office and impeaching him.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_10:34:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "Jazz", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12253482, "depth": 0, "points": 3, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12282153": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "D.E.Rodriguez--<br><br>As the guy who cited the Wikipedia, thanks for your \"admiration\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:14:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12278527, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12253482": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Your analogy has one very fatal flaw.  It does not mention Pres. Obama intentionally violating a Supreme Court ruling and violating the constitution itself (the Honduran Consititution requires that constitutional reform be authorized by the congress not president).  A more realistic analogy would be that Obama is near the end of his second term and wants to run for re-election in violation of the constitutional ban on a U.S. president serving a maximum of two terms.  Obama threatens to dissolve parliment and insists on a national referendum on the subject (even though the US constitution requires that constititutional amendments be passed by 2/3's majority of state legislatures).  The U.S. Supreme court rules that his plans for the referendum are illegal, but Obama persists...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_09:55:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "honduras", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 3, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12310983": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "What comments here would support that statement, George? I brought up the fact that most people (I believe) would admit that there are some circumstances that would justify that but I don't believe we in the US currently know enough to know if that's the case in this situation.<br><br>It seems to me that there's a lot more support for reinstatement of Zelaya being expressed by liberal commenters here than there is by conservative Americans saying that we should support his ousting. The few who are speaking out pretty forcefully for that are Honduran natives, not American conservatives.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_09:57:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12282669": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "George:<br><br>Although I wasn't even aware that you specifically used Wikipedia, you are welcome.<br><br>As I said, I have done so myself.<br><br>I was just an observation", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:29:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "Doriancito", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12282153, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12255022": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Honduras is spot on.  The media and the state department in the US are not getting the story right.  The US and the OAS is not concerned with the will of Honduran people, they just don't want any members of their country club to be shipped out of his own country in PJs.  The referendum was only the straw that broke the camels back.  Zelaya has not submitted a budget to congress since 2007.  The man has been spending money off the books with no one keeping track.  He was going to dissolve congress and fired all the military leaders that would not back his crazy power grab.  Yesterday the Catholic Church in Honduras came out in support for the new government which proves that the new government has the backing of the major pillars in Honduras.  The only people that back Zelaya are a minority of Hondurans who think that Zelaya will be like Chavez (socialist) and want a Chavez like leader and the leaders from other countries who believe that leaders are more important than the people.  The people in Honduras know that he is a puppet of Chaves and is suspected of helping in the drug trade, they wanted him out before he changed the rules to keep power.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_10:37:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12281903": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Austin Roth--<br><br>Not sure if you noticed it, but somewhere up there in this very thread, the commenter called Tegucigalpa is defending this <i>whatever you want to call it</i> against a leftist on the basis of \"the will of the people\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:12:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12280507, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12281138": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well Green Dreams you continue to scapegoat my very simple questions and refuse to answer the points. It is your right to just act like facts you don't agree with don't exist however I don't consider that to be a very reputable stance.<br><br>I'm sorry that Honduras's interpretation of their constitution conflicts with your \"world view\" that you feel should be imposed on everyone. I did not insult you and simply re-asked a couple simple questions which you refuse to answer. I'll repeat the questions so you can ignore them again.<br><br>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br><br>Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:51:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12291123": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Cryos--<br><br>I haven't claimed any expertise on this topic. <br><br>However, earlier you made the following accusation toward GreenDreams:   <blockquote>I don't think there is an impeachment clause and unless you prove otherwise it makes your initial post moot. The MSM doesn't have anything on impeachment whatsoever and I am unable to find one anywhere so I think the impeachment issue is an empty dishonest talking point to support pre-determined conclusions.</blockquote> Calling him dishonest seemed both harsh and inaccurate. (And saying he just wanted to support a pre-determined conclusion seemed like the pot calling the kettle black.) So I spent about twenty seconds on Wikipedia to find some evidence of the existence of an impeachment process under the Honduran Constitution and when I found it I posted it for all to see. <br><br>Now, I recognize that Wikipedia-bashing is a popular sport on the internet. But the Wikipedia usually does provide sources for its information. I'm not sure anyone bothered to look for it, but the footnote for the portion I quoted went to <a href=\"http://countrystudies.us/honduras/87.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">this website</a>.  <br><br>Nobody has to love the Wikipedia. Nobody has to love the underlying source. But to call GreenDreams dishonest seemed objectively false. Evidence of impeachment procedures exists. I think you went too far when you did that, Cryos. <br><br>Again, I'm not an expert on this. But calling in the military to remove a democratically elected President is a very extreme action to undertake. I would guess that there were less draconian alternatives to his military expulsion from the country. It's hard to believe that a Constitution would make no judicial or quasi-judicial provision for the removal of its elected officials of the kind that we commonly call <em>impeachment</em>. I doubt that all the procedural alternatives were exhausted. I think they should have been exhausted before applying force. <br><br>Additionally, his expulsion has been called illegal by several external organizations, including the American State Department and the OAS. The objection against those judgments seems to be that they were just playing politics. But if the groups you've cited (the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal) did something illegal, why wouldn't try to cover themselves by claiming their actions were in fact constitutional--by, in short, playing some politics of their own?   <br><br>I'm here defending the idea of the rule of law. I realize I'm not Jazz's favorite guy, but I think he got this right: \"It\u2019s the idea that the body of laws itself is the final arbiter - that no person or group of people is equal to or above those laws and the concepts they embody.\" I quoted from \"A Man for All Seasons\" to the effect that while the law may not provide convenient answers to problems you feel passionate about, the application of legal procedure protects the innocent as much as it protects Satan himself. And without its protections, the innocent will be subject to Satan's will. <br><br>I'm also here defending GreenDreams against the charges of dishonesty and bad faith. <br><br>And I don't think there's anything wrong with citing a reasonably-sourced Wikipedia article.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_20:19:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12282457, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12283083": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There is also another constitutional question, or maybe even several. <br><br>There are references to impeachment in the constitution so an argument can be made that there should of been a more formal process. But even if he was shipped out the votes showed conclusively that the \"impeachment\" was overwhelming. why should that \"impeachment\"(as good a term as any if not quite exact) be overturned because Zelaya wasn't in a jail cell in Honduras? That really is a big issue because there really seems no doubt that the only way Zelaya would be in power now would be thru extra legal means.<br><br><br>In addition the Honduran Constitution article against attempting, advocating, ect, ect, a second presidential term may very well make impeachment a moot point if he violated that article. (That the legislature was meeting to discuss impeachment does not mean that they had to impeach him if he violated that article or even that that violation was the reason for the prospective impeachment. There were many and massive reasons for conflict with the legislature and they may well have wanted to proceed even without that constitution basis.) Without having such a device in our constitution it seems strange but there seems to be argument that the language could eliminate the need for impeachment. That for other reasons the legislature could impeach the Pres, but if the Supreme Court found that there was a violation of that article of the constitution then that finding automatically strips the Pres of office. <br><br>Now we have heard that the final ballot of the \"survey\" the Zelaya was giving (please read massive sarcasm into the word survey) had nothing of term limits and him serving another term as Pres. This of course pays no attention to the other versions of the ballot that he put forth, his previously stated intentions, and his steadfast refusal to pay any attention to the laws of Honduras which did not give him the authority to \"survey\", that made it illegal to conduct his(or any) \"survey' so close to an election, and the court orders preventing his actions. It is common sense that the Supreme Court would look at the issue in it's totality when making a decision and hard to ignore it without incredible condescension. As is those \"people\" are not qualified to make those type of decisions for themselves. They must be guided by those who know better.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:43:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "EEllis", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12262586": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Here is something else:<br><br>\"No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.\"<br><br>-- Article 239 of Honduras's Constitution<br><br><a href=\"http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2</a>..<br><br>Note the words \"immediately cease\"  Zalaya was warned and continued and the Supreme Court made a ruling and called in the army to enforce that constitutional requirement for immediate removal.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:51:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "Leonidas", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12262623": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Obama administration needs to clearly state why they are in support of Zeyala so that all this questioning can be put to rest. If we know his true beliefs on the subject, it will be easier to analyze his perspective. According to France 24, \"Weary of appearing too close to U.S. adversary Chavez, conservative leaders don\u2019t want to rock the boat and upset Washington.\u201d <a href=\"http://www.newsy.com/videos/welcome_anywhere_but_home\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.newsy.com/videos/welcome_anywhere_bu...</a> Ironic how we now side with Zeyala.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:52:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "newsmonster09", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12280636": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zelaya's ouster was entirely legal and proper. Moreover, the above blog post is based on an obsolete 1995 analysis of Honduras's constitution.<br><br>But Honduras's constitution has changed since then, as to the relevant provisions like impeachment.<br><br>As a result, scholars have argued that there isn't a viable impeachment mechanism in the constitution.<br><br>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country's supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>(The U.S. has used the military to enforce court orders too, as in Cooper v. Aaron, where federal troops were called out to desegregate the Little Rock Public Schools in response to a governor's defiance of a court order)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:36:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "Hans_Bader", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12312842": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "GS - <br><br>Except for the 'inconvenient truth' that it was not a military overthrow, unless your definition extends to the Honduras Supreme Court issuing a legal arrest warrant, the Military (as per the Honduras Constitution) executing said warrant, and the Honduras Congress, of which the deposed of President's party had a majority, voting 123-3 to support the removal of Zelaya, and replacing him with the next civilian in line for succession as per that same inconvenient Constitution.<br><br>The only error that occurred was the Military's, which has admitted in hindsight they should have taken him to jail rather than removed him from the country.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_10:51:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12310778, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12278078": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@GreenDreams<br><br>Sorry for the delay, I had lunch and meetings.  If you are not aware of the laws he broke, I don't blame you because your media has not covered it.  I didn't address it because I assume that with all the dribble you wrote (which I didn't not have time to read all of it) that you know about him breaking in to the military facility where the ballots were being kept (not to mention his evolvement in the drug trade).  I think the way they sent him out of the country was ill-advised, but at the end of the day, the result was the will of the people and good for the country.  Please read the following article if you would like to know what is really going on.  If you can't read Spanish like I can, you really haven't been able to read or hear of the things this man was doing.  The English speaking media is not covering this other than making Zelaya look like a victim.  If you are not aware of the steps that Chavez took to become the tyrannical leader that he is today, you may not understand that he was using the Chavez playbook on how retain power and oppress your people.  Honduras did not want to be the next land of Chavez.  If you think that Chavez is a good guy than you are either ill-informed or you are a strict leftist.  If you are a leftist than more power to you but that makes your opinion as about as fair as Chavez himself.<br><br><a href=\"http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2537\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_16:35:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12278527": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Suddenly we appear to have so many American experts of the Constitution, government and laws of Honduras.<br><br>I would love to jump into the discussion, but I am afraid it would take me a couple of weeks, at least, to get up to speed on Honduras Supreme Court, Legislature, AG, documents,decisions,  amendments, legislation, court cases, precedents, etc., etc., to be able to intelligently debate these issues, even though I am fluent in Spanish--but I'll resist.<br><br>I do, however, \"admire\" those who are debating this based on information from Wikipedia<br><br>(I have to admit, I have done so myself)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_16:46:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "Doriancito", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12280129": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@GreenDreams<br><br>\"None of you can show a shred of evidence that Zelaya 1) attempted to extend his term, 2) attempted to allow re-election of a former president, 3) attempted to amend the current 1982 Constitution.\" <br><br>This is a 5th grade argument.  I guess the many months of him saying that the above noted points are exactly what he was going to do is not evidence enough for you???  And I'm sorry, but I could care less what your American friends in my country think.  They are welcome to leave; international flights are still running in and out of Honduras, just not as many as usual.<br><br>Zelaya's family is still in Honduras and are not being threatened or beaten.  I don't think the way they removed him from power was the best way to do it, but I doesn't mean that he deserves to be back in power.  It is too late now for him to return, it will only cause violence.  Real violence, not shipping people out in PJs or a kid getting shot off the airport fence he was trying to jump after being told he was going to be shot several times.<br><br>\"press freedom suspended, right to peaceful assembly suspended\"  This statement is nothing more than false.  The papers are running the tvs are playing and on American PBS Nightly News I saw an American reporter that was reporting from Tegucigalpa and was very free to do so.  The right to peaceful assembly is still allowed and there are plenty of rallies that start and end peacefully.  The reason some people have tear gas fired at them is because they throw rocks at the officers.  If it was really \"peaceful\" they would not have tear gas shot at them.<br><br>I really doubt you even have friends in Honduras, sounds like a blogger soap box to me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:23:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12270914": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GreenDreams<br><br>IE you can't find the impeachment process. Perfect example why blinding believing leftist agenda sites (or right agenda sites) is a bad idea. Articles 237, 239 and 242 are relevant to the situation. To Sorwell a wikipedia reference with no backup means absolutely nothing.<br><br>\"\"You are not helping your case by ranting about \"dictators.\" WHAT DID ZELAYA DO? He didn't call for extension of his term, nor for amendment of the current constitution, nor for any powers whatsoever. Come on, man. Trying to have a discussion here. What do you have?\"\"<br><br>You are wrong from my understanding. He called for EXACTLY THAT and only made the resolution proposal non-binding at the last minute. Also forcibly removing the ballots to distribute against the order of the court I believe was illegal<br><br>So you danced around the issue. Are you fine with socialist dictators breaking the constitutional law and not being held accountable due to technicalities? IE if a president breaks the law and there is not a clearly defined process in place to remove him do you believe leaving him in office is the only solution even if the constitution calls for otherwise? <br><br>And GreenDreams you are merely parroting others viewpoints that is not trying to have a dicussion. I at least can formulate my own thoughts and am not relying on pathetic partisan sites to make my argument for me. Anyone can be a tape recorder and merely regurgitate partisan op-ed material. I prefer a thinking brain.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:17:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12267971": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Correction:<br><br>Continued subjucation to leftist dictators whose goal is absolute power and control: 0<br><br>Republic saved from latin america dictatorship takeovers and *good use of government checks and balances*: 1", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_14:18:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12320438": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": ":)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_13:37:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12317820, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12279750": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Zelaya's ouster was entirely legal and proper.  Moreover, the above blog post is based on an obsolete 1995 analysis of Honduras's constitution.<br><br>But Honduras's constitution has changed since then, as to the relevant provisions like impeachment.<br><br>As a result, scholars have argued that there isn't a viable impeachment mechanism in the constitution.<br><br>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country's supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>(The U.S. has used the military to enforce court orders too, as in Cooper v. Aaron, where federal troops were called out to desegregate the Little Rock Public Schools in response to a governor's defiance of a court order).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:12:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "Hans_Bader", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12293447": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GD - what is it about this Honduras situation that has you spending so much time on it? I certainly haven't seen anywhere near as much effort from you on Iran, or anything (not even torture!)<br><br>You seem to want to become an overnight Honduras Constitutional expert, and to try and prove every branch of the Honduras government, and Zelaya's own party (except 3 people), were wrong in what they did.<br><br>I still say it goes back to the the fact that you cannot tolerate a Leftist being removed from power by the very government you now seem hell-bent on proving is illegitimate. Seems you want to overthrow the will of the entire government of Honduras because, well, what they did, believing themselves to be acting fully within the law, makes you unhappy.<br><br>Oh yeah, and because you now know Honduras Constitutional law better than any man or woman alive, Honduran or otherwise, Honduran Supreme Court member or otherwise, Honduran Congressman or otherwise.<br><br>In fact, from the sounds of it, the only person on the face of the earth remotely qualified to run that country is now...YOU! <br><br>At least in your somewhat overinflated opinion of yourself on this topic", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_21:46:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12291445, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12281672": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?\"<br><br>Only GreenDreams is, haven't you figured that out? :)<br><br>Honduras unida siempre, luchemos juntos por nuestro pais.  That is all I have left to say.....", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_18:07:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12266955": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Tegucigalpa, you struck out. You can't assert with evidence that would be allowed in any court, that Zelaya did anything illegal. You failed to answer any of the 4 points in my post above. However, here's what the SC and military did that is unconstitutional:<br><blockquote>Chapter 2, on individual rights, declares in Article 82 says the right of defense is inviolable. Unlike some other guarantees that many argue were violated (such as article 99, that holds that the residence is inviolable, but allows entry without permission if authorized) this one does not have an exception. Zelaya was not charged nor allowed his defense.<br><br>Article 90 guarantees a trial. Again, it allows no exceptions other than military courts-martial. It specifically excludes military courts from extending their power to civilians.<br><br>Article 102 says, in its entirety,<br><br>\"Ning\u00fan hondure\u00f1o podr\u00e1 ser expatriado ni entregado por las autoridades a un Estado extranjero.\"<br><br>(No Honduran can be expatriated nor sent to the authorities of a foreign State)<br><br>This one clearly does not permit what was done to Zelaya. You can dislike his policies, you can even propose to read his mind, but you cannot make a series of unconstitutional actions constitutional by liking the effect they produce.</blockquote>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:56:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12308373": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GD- I apologize, as I'd misread your previous statement to have said \"suffering four more years\" instead of \"four more months\" of Zelaya's rule.<br><br>Still though, I think you underestimate that if he truly was rhetorically threatening an illegal referendum which would have extended his term or permitted his running for another term, and ignoring court rulings against that, then even if he found a clever way (or perhaps, I'd conjecture, Chavez found a clever way) to look innocent by changing the format to one that would not have been illegal- then the legislative and judicial branches and the military may have overreacted but not without some reason for their belief that he had to be stopped quickly.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_08:44:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12277454": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's easy enough to read their constitution and infere that there wasn't anything to wrong with Zelaya's \"poll\". Now please find in ours where there is a right to privacy that includes abortions, Miranda rights, the ability to prevent one from owning a firearm, ect. Zelaya did do something illegal and, according to the Honduran Supreme Court, something unconstitutional. <br><br>GD said\"Of course your detractors here, they are the true arbiters of fact and justice of the world. They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars. They are, after all, BLOG COMMENTERS. /sarcasm\"<br><br><br>Of course you know you can turn this right around and say the the Honduran Supreme Court should be the defining voice in the argument. We certainly believe that here in the US (about our court and the constitution). Right now you have that they should of kept him in country while the Congress voted him out, which they did 120 something to 3. Ok they violated his rights because they got scared there might be riots or an actual takeover of govt if they F. U. the deal. So? Why would that make his being voted out invalid?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_16:19:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "EEllis", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12266079, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12274895": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GreenDreams the Supreme Court, AG and legislature of Honduras decided the move was unconstitutional. I think they are most qualified to interpret their constitution so you merely saying it doesn't means nothing. Liberals \"world view\" doesn't qualify them to legally interpret other countries' constitutions as far as I know.<br><br>Once again danced around the issue. If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do? It's a simple question.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:39:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12260432": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jazz if what the Honduran government was illegal under Honduran law then I agree with you.  The problem is I still can't tell what Honduran law is.  Most of the Hondurans (or people claiming to be Hondurans) that have posted here seem to think the law was followed.  The Merrill link really is not adequate to answer the question.<br><br>Discussion of US law is not relevant.  Discussion of the use of the military also is irrelevant to the issue of whether the Congress and Court were acting within Honduran law in deciding to remove Zalaya.  I agree the use of the military to enforce a warrant seems excessive, although whether that is legal or not in Honduras is less clear.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:22:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "DaGoat", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12323921": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Another thought for those that are so certain Zelaya should be allowed to return to Honduras. What is the most likely outcome? Every aspect of Govt is against this man and his actions and have taken action against him. Do you think he will quietly serve out his 4 months?<br><br>Personal I can't think of anything more likely to destroy democracy in Honduras than returning Zelaya to power. He already proved he will not respect the law or the constitution.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_14:33:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "EEllis", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12270546": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Wikipedia entry on the <A HREF=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Honduras\" rel=\"nofollow\">Honduran Supreme Court</A> describes its Constitutional functions as follows:   <blockquote>       It has fourteen constitutional powers and duties, including the appointment of judges and justices of the lower courts and public prosecutors; the power of declaring laws unconstitutional; <i>the power of trying high-ranking government officials, following a declaration by the National Congress of Honduras of grounds for impeachment</i>; and the publication of the court's official record, the Gaceta Judicial. </blockquote><br><br>I added a little emphasis to point out the part about impeachment.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:08:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12275155": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified? <br><br>Checks and balances.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:46:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12265812": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Quote from \"A Man for All Seasons\":<br><blockquote>William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!<br><br>Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?<br><br>William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!<br><br>Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake! <br><br></blockquote>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:23:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12253400": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"The Supreme Court orders the Joint Chiefs to arrest Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts swears in Mitch McConnell as president.\"<br><br>You know Jazz, there are some in Punditville that would be ecstatic at your above statement and cheer it as \"America Being Strong\" (yeah, strongly stupid).  But your right, that would be the end of America as we know it.  The Supreme Court getting rid of a U.S. President by force???  I would have a mini-heart atttack.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_09:53:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "T_Steel", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12263385": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good post Jazz. Of course your detractors here, they are the true arbiters of fact and justice of the world. They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars. They are, after all, BLOG COMMENTERS. /sarcasm.<br><br>Once again, HERE are the facts. If you want to argue them, cite sections of the Constitution and translations of the factual basis of your diatribes. I call BS on talking points. The Honduran Constitution is a public document, as is the precise wording of Zelaya's proposed ballot measure. Legality is very precise in these matters. It is pointless to argue what Zelaya's intent was. The TEXT of what he proposed does not appear to violate the Constitution. The military removal of a sitting president DOES violate the Constitution.<br><br>For those asserting that Zelaya violated the Honduran constitution, but more for those who want an accurate analysis of the situation, here are <a href=\"http://rebelreports.com/post/133319827/why-president-zelayas-actions-in-honduras-were-legal\" rel=\"nofollow\">the facts</a>, with citations to the Honduran Constitution:<br><blockquote>President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran \u201cCivil Participation Act\u201d of 2006.&nbsp; According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006.&nbsp; That is, until the president of the republic employed it in a manner that was not amicable to the interests of the members of these institutions.<br><br>Furthermore, the Honduran Constitution says nothing against the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly, with the mandate to draw up a completely new constitution, which the Honduran public would need to approve. Such a popular participatory process would bypass the current liberal democratic one specified in article 373 of the current constitution, in which the National Congress has to approve with 2/3 of the votes, any reform to the 1982 Constitution, excluding reforms to articles 239 and 374. This means that a perfectly legal National Constituent Assembly would have a greater mandate and fewer limitations than the National Congress, because such a National Constituent Assembly would not be reforming the Constitution, but re-writing it. The National Constituent Assembly\u2019s mandate would come directly from the Honduran people, who would have to approve the new draft for a constitution, unlike constitutional amendments that only need 2/3 of the votes in Congress. This popular constitution would be more democratic and it would contrast with the current 1982 Constitution, which was the product of a context characterized by counter-insurgency policies supported by the US-government, civil fa\u00e7ade military governments and undemocratic policies. In opposition to other legal systems in the Central American region that (directly or indirectly) participated in the civil wars of the 1980s, the Honduran one has not been deeply affected by peace agreements and a subsequent reformation of the role played by the Armed Forces.<br><br>Recalling these observations, we can once again take a look at the widespread assumption that Zelaya was ousted as president after he tried to carry out a non-binding referendum to extend his term in office.&nbsp; <br><br>The poll was certainly non-binding, and therefore also not subject to prohibition.&nbsp; However it was not a referendum, as such public consultations are generally understood. Even if it had been, the objective was not to extend Zelaya\u2019s term in office. In this sense, it is important to point out that Zelaya\u2019s term concludes in January 2010.&nbsp; In line with article 239 of the Honduran Constitution of 1982, Zelaya is not participating in the presidential elections of November 2009, meaning that he could have not been reelected. Moreover, it is completely uncertain what the probable National Constituent Assembly would have suggested concerning matters of presidential periods and re-elections. These suggestions would have to be approved by all Hondurans and this would have happened at a time when Zelaya would have concluded his term. Likewise, even if the Honduran public had decided that earlier presidents could become presidential candidates again, this disposition would form a part of a completely new constitution. Therefore, it cannot be regarded as an amendment to the 1982 Constitution and it would not be in violation of articles 5, 239 and 374. The National Constituent Assembly, with a mandate from the people, would derogate the previous constitution before approving the new one. The people, not president Zelaya, who by that time would be ex-president Zelaya, would decide.<br><br>It is evident that the opposition had no legal case against President Zelaya. All they had was speculation about perfectly legal scenarios which they strongly disliked. Otherwise, they could have followed a legal procedure sheltered in article 205 nr. 22 of the 1982 Constitution, which states that public officials that are suspected to violate the law are subject to impeachment by the National Congress.</blockquote><br>Here's the translated text of the referendum<br><br><blockquote>Do you agree with the installation of a fourth ballot box during the 2009 general elections so that the people can decide on the calling of a national constituent assembly? Yes or no.<br></blockquote>If you want to check the translation, the original in Spanish is <a href=\"http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=16138\" rel=\"nofollow\">HERE</a>.<br><blockquote>In other words: do you want there to be a ballot and a ballot box (Latin American elections often have one ballot per office and one ballot box per ballot) for the purpose of a referendum in November (alongside the presidential and congressional elections) to decide whether or not to call a constituent assembly to reform the constitution.<br></blockquote>Now, what about those who took over? How are they doing as \"white hat\" good guys?<br><br><p>And so today, Honduras said goodbye to the following <a href=\"http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">articles of its Constitution</a>:</p>  <blockquote><strong>Article 69:</strong> \"A persons liberty is inviolable and can only be restricted or suspended temporarily through process of law.\"  <p><br><strong>Article 71:</strong> \"No person can be arrested nor kept incommunicado for more than 24 hours without being placed before a competent authority to be judged. Judicial detention during an investigation must not exceed six consecutive days from the moment that the same is ordered.\"</p>  <p><strong>Article 78:</strong> \"Freedoms of association and meeting are always guaranteed when they are not contrary to public order and good customs.</p>  <p><strong>Article 79:</strong> \"All persons have the right to meet with others, peacefully and without weapons, in public demonstration or transitory assembly, in relation to their common interests of any type, without necessity of notice or special permission.\"</p>  <p><strong>Article 81:</strong> \"All persons have the right to circulate freely, leave, enter, and remain in national territory. No one can be obligated to change home or residence except in special cases and with those requirements that the Law establishes.\"</p></blockquote><br>Jazz is exactly right. Despite what some commenters on TMV have asserted, the Honduran Constitution does have an impeachment clause, just like our Constitution, and it is and should be the process for removing the president, should that be legally justified under Honduran law. It appears that Zelaya crafted a \"referendum\" that was <b>not </b>illegal, did <b>not </b>call for amending the current Constitution and did <b>not </b>call for allowing a second presidential term, nor allowing a former president to stand for future electionl", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:05:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 4, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12270714": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>Tegucigalpa, you struck out. You can't assert with evidence that would be allowed in any court, that Zelaya did anything illegal.</i><br><br>Illegal activity is not necessary to impeach someone, it merely has to be activity that is unacceptable to a majority of the Congress.  I think the only way for this argument to be solved is to see the applicable impeachment clauses of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>I do think the use of the military was excessive and probably unconstitutional, but that is a separate question from whether his removal from office was appropriate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:13:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "DaGoat", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12266955, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12265822": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@GreenDreams  I don't have the time to read you 30 page post but I will respond to the below noted boneheaded comment:<br><br>\"They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars.\"<br><br>ha ha ha.  You got it all wrong.  I'm not saying, and I know the others on here are not saying, that we are SMARTER than the above noted people.  The above noted have to play ploitics with this deal, and supporting the will of the people is not how they are playing it, they are playing to the leader.  The msdia for the most part except a few (I hope you watched the New Hour on PBS last night to hear some coverage of the other side).  We don't have a strategic interest in the debate as all the above noted people do.  If the OAS and the US were to back the new Honduran government, it would be a slap in the face of Chavez.  Nether the OAS or the US is trying to piss of Chavez.  I don't care if he gets mad so I speak freely.  At the end of the day the Honduran people are in support of this change including the Catholic Church, so why does the rest of the world get to tell the people of Honduras how to run their government?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:24:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12266079": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Looking for a translation of the impeachment clause. I have not found it yet. Meanwhile, having the complete text of the ballot measure Zelaya was implementing for the NOVEMBER election, in which he is not a candidate, explain to me where he proposed 1) amending the current constitution, 2) extending his current term, 3) allowing a second term for presidents, or 4) that an ex-president can run again.<br><br>Sure glad you guys aren't MY lawyers. There is a picture of the ballot box at my link above. There is no hidden text in what Zelaya proposed, and whether you like him or not, whether I like him or not (I don't), you have to DO something illegal to be unlawful.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:31:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12299872": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Laying aside Consitutional arguments a minute lets review some undeniable facts:<br><br>Zelaya tried to hold a \"consultation\" (legally binding) for a November 2009 referendum on changes to the Honduran Constitution<br><br>Honduras' Supreme Court, attorney general, top electoral body, and human-rights ombudsman all ruled that the 28 June plebescite would be illegal.<br><br>Zelaya went ahead with it anyhow, had ballots printed in Venezuela, and announced that the vote would take place June 28,<br>  <br>Honduran Attorney General Luis Alberto Rubi took the case to court. The Honduran Supreme Court ruled the referendum to be illegal and ordered the ballots to be confiscated.<br><br>Zelaya ordered the Chief of the Army Romeo V\u00e1squez Vel\u00e1squez to distribute ballots per the military's role of assisting the Government of Honduras in conducting elections.<br><br>V\u00e1squez refused to distribute the ballots after seeking legal opinions.<br><br>Zelaya fired him on 24 June 2009, the same day Minister of Defense, Edmundo Orellana resigned.<br><br>Zelaya and a group of supporters stormed an airforce base and seized the ballots and issue another executive decree, which directed government officials to set up 15,000 polling stations at schools and community buildings across the country.<br><br>In an attempt to counter the Supreme Court's argument that the proposed consultation was illegal, Zelaya reclassified the legally binding \"consultation\" as a non-legally binding \"public opinion poll.\"   <br><br>In response to a request from Attorney General Rubi, the Honduran Congress controlled by Zelaya's own party, opened an investigation into the president's mental stability and fitness to govern.<br><br>The Supreme Court ruled the dismissal illegal and reinstated V\u00e1squez on 25 June 2009.<br><br>A detention order, signed 26 June by a Supreme Court judge, ordered the armed forces to detain the president<br><br>The military removed Zelaya from his home early on the morning of 28 June, before the polls open for his plebiscite and sent him into exile in Costa Rica<br><br>The Honduran Congress affirmed Zelaya's departure (125-3) and, in accord with the constitution, named Roberto Micheletti, who had been president of the Congress, as interim president of the country.<br><br>Chavez, Ortega, Castro and Bolivia's Evo Morales immediately condemned the \"coup\"  demanding Zelaya be restored to power.<br><br>Chavez  threatened military action<br><br>--------------------<br><br>Now given that course of events, who in their right mind would endorse putting  Zelaya back in power?  He disobeyed the Supreme Court, was kicked out by the Congress which his own party controlled and which all but 3 members voted in favor of the Supreme Courts removal of him, He stormed army bases with supporters taking away what the legal system had ordered to be held by the military, he tries to fire anyone disagreeing with him, the attorney general called for and the Congress was investigating his mental health, <br><br>That anyone would suggest this other than Chavez and his ilk is just mind boggling.<br><br>BTW more on that Congressional investigation:<br><br>Members of Congressional commission in charge of investigating Zelaya's actions have reportedly said that because the commission has concluded that Zelaya has broken the law, it would recommend to the entire Congress that Zelaya be removed from office.  This was before his arrest.  <br><br><a href=\"http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/27/internacional/1246060402.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/27/intern...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_00:36:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "Leonidas", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12325072": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "haha @GreenDreams<br><br>He said that Zelaya's wife was beaten and his family is in trouble, haha.  This proves once again that GD knows nothing about what is going on.  He is trying to seem informed on the sitution more than the others on here.  You know, because he has a bunch of friends there.  Her beating was never reported in Honduras and she looks fine leading the rally in the below noted story.  Haha.  And there was no tear gas!  It is not a police state.  One more thing you are wrong about.  Would you like to make any other false statements?<br><br>(since you can't read Spanish, the picture at the top of the article is la esposa de depuesto presidente Zelaya)<br><br><a href=\"http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=17176\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=17176</a><br><br>I think it is time for everyone to not worry for a little bit.  Presidente costarricense Oscar Arias will be a good mediator.  Now that there is a way to tell both sides, things will get done and Zelaya will not be shown as a victim all the time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_14:57:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tegucigalpa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12291298": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Austin Roth--<br><br>I hear what you're saying. You may be right. And I'm not trying to defend Zelaya. <br><br>But the legality of the action doesn't seem completely obvious. Even though the extremity of the action does seem obvious.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_20:26:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12282772, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12277987": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Personally I'll withhold judgement until more information is known, because certainly the rightness or wrongness of the actions of the Honduran military hinges on what the Constitution- in full- says. If, as some Honduran nationals are asserting, there is no viable process for impeachment which would proceed without military enforcement, then that's something which should be remedied in their Constitution in the future but it would give some legitimacy to the coup. After all, we just celebrated our own country's decision to use military power to overthrow what was considered an illegitimate government.<br><br>If, on the other hand, the Constitution contained a well defined means of impeaching Zelaya for the alleged infractions and those procedures were completely ignored, then the actions of the courts and military are more suspect.<br><br>It is interesting that some bloggers and commenters feel so sure that they know which is the case even before they've seen the evidence, and interesting too that some authors being cited here have apparently taken the time to selectively translate certain articles of the Honduran Constitution which show violations by the military in this case (violations which are not even being denied, although the accused apparently feel that there was justification for the infractions), while there hasn't been a similar effort to address the other pertinent question of whether or not there was a more legitimate process encoded in the Constitution for Zelaya's removal from office after he ignored the country's Supreme Court rulling and fired military leaders who were attempting to enforce the court's ruling rather than obey his orders.<br><br>At least the Obama administration has said that it is investigating the circumstances before judging whether or not the removal of Zelaya was legal or extralegal. Maybe others ought to similarly reserve judgement.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_16:33:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12293860": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "GreenDreams, If you were wondering how long it would take for someone to change this thread into a blatant attack on you and your person, you need wait no longer. AR seems to think he's up to the task.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_22:02:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "SteveK", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12274662": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Was that the same president that lost the vote but got into office after his brother certified he'd won and the judges his dad appointed confirmed it?  Or was that some other banana republic?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:34:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "Mu111", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12279953": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Whoa, GD- now you are actually claiming that legally Zelaya should not only serve the remainder of his term but should be given a second term? Surely you didn't mean that the way you wrote it.<br><br>Also, it seems that the charges that led to his arrest had to do with him illegally ordering the referendum question on the ballots- not the substance of what the ballot question was but the fact that he was trying to circumvent the Constitution to do this at all. Apparently only the Congress can put a referendum on the ballot, and the Congress opposed this move. He ordered the military to put it on the ballot anyway, and that was where the crisis began. So even if you are absolutely correct that his detractors are overstating what he tried to do in that referendum, that's besides the point when it comes to the legality questions. If Obama tried to tell election commissions in all the states to put a referendum on the ballot, no matter how innocuous the issue for vote actually was, it would still be illegal and he would be told that that's not the correct procedure. If he then defied those rulings, there would be a crisis that would have to be resolved in some fashion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:17:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12314089": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Austin Roth--<br><br>In case you haven't read the rest of this thread, there is some controversy about just how legal/illegal this action was. <br><br>You don't have possession of the high moral ground. <br><br>Even you admit that mistakes were made. <br><br>If you want to claim <i>the right</i> is just correct and <i>the left</i> is just wrong, go ahead. But because the rule of law was not obeyed, you're open to the utterly obvious parallel criticism. <br><br>Utterly obvious.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_11:17:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12312842, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12264939": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also green dreams pasting in someone else's analysis doesn't really count as your own.<br><br>Pasting information directly from sites like <a href=\"http://commondreams.org\" rel=\"nofollow\">commondreams.org</a> and <a href=\"http://obamaers.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">obamaers.com</a> is fine but it also reveals the viewpoint you are taking. It is your right to do so but pasting information from articles named like \"Totalitarian Rightists Put Orwellian Spin on Honduras Coup\" is not exactly factually based information.<br><br>Once again simply put in the impeachment process.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:16:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12273430": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great post, Jazz. We agree again. And I'll admit it feels good to have another TMV writer making these points. Thank you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:28:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "kathykattenburg", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12262835": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good discussion and good points on both sides.<br><br>I do see the Honduran nationals point.<br><br>When it comes to the survival of your homeland, you not as prone to be academic as you can be from a palatial retreat high up in the Catskills.<br><br>But, Hondurans also need to realize Obama is going to be prone to the same academics because he too is not feeling the heat.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_12:58:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "casualobserver", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12263920": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GreenDreams 0 minutes ago ====<br>Despite what some commenters on TMV have asserted, the Honduran Constitution does have an impeachment clause, just like our Constitution, and it is and should be the process for removing the president, should that be legally justified under Honduran law.<br>===================================<br>Could you post that impeachment clause? I've heard several people SAY there is a clause but no one can manage to paste it in. You pasted in other articles not the impeachment clause.<br><br>Also you should reference articles 237, 239 and 242, Zelaya WAS acting unconstitutionally and only agreed to make the referendum non-binding at the last minute after multiple rebukes by the Supreme Courrt.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:11:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12267889": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GreenDreams 11 minutes ago <br>==========================<br>Without an impeachment clause how is Honduras supposed to carry out its constitutional duty to immediately remove the president since he refused to remove himself?<br><br>Granted this was a bad move on their part and hopefully that part of their constitution can be altered to allow future impeachment proceedings but the law is murky in that area.<br><br>I don't think there is an impeachment clause and unless you prove otherwise it makes your initial post moot. The MSM doesn't have anything on impeachment whatsoever and I am unable to find one anywhere so I think the impeachment issue is an empty dishonest talking point to support pre-determined conclusions.<br><br>Maybe you are fine with socialist dictators breaking the constitutional law and not being held accountable due to technicalities but fortunately for Hondurans their government decided otherwise.<br><br>Score in Honduras.<br><br>Continued subjucation to leftist dictators whose goal is absolute power and control: 0<br><br>Republic saved from latin america dictatorship takeovers and checks and balances: 1", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_14:16:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12280507": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Everyone is making this way too complicated. The 'rule of the law' is quite simple:<br><br>If a Leftist is thrown out of office by force for corruption and scandal with the backing of the courts and the legislative branches, it is a coup.<br><br>If a Rightist is thrown out of office for corruption and scandal with the backing of the courts and the legislative branches, it is the Will of the People.<br><br>See? Like I said, it is easy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_17:32:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12308195": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Uh, sorry, Kathy, but you're too clever by half- I have no idea what you mean by an 'answer' to my statement (if it was meant to inspire an answer it would have had to have been a question instead of a statement, no?)<br><br>Perhaps you should just take my statement at face value- a reminder that none of us (I presume, at least) would say that there are no circumstances that would justify military intervention to overthrow an illegitimate government, or an elected government which is seen as illegally grabbing power beyond the mandate of the election. I think I was pretty clear also in stating that I don't know if that justification exists in the present case of Honduras or not, since unlike others here I don't feel that reliance on selective translations of portions of the Honduran Constitution would enable me to make that judgement.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_08:35:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12291445": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<blockquote>GreenDreams the Supreme Court, AG and legislature of Honduras decided the move was unconstitutional. I think they are most qualified to interpret their constitution so you merely saying it doesn't means nothing.<br></blockquote>apparently, not. They themselves violated the Constitution, articles 69,71, 78, 79, 81 and 102. This pretty much invalidates their credentials as arbiters of the law, does it not? The army's attorney thinks so, <br><blockquote>\u201dWe know there was a crime there,\u201d said Inestroza, the top legal advisor for the Honduran armed forces. \u201cIn the moment that we took him out of the country, in the way that he was taken out, there is a crime. Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us.\u201d<br></blockquote>So the army, knowing it is committing an illegal act, believes it will be acquitted \"because of the circumstances.\" Circumstances that justify violation of 6 articles of the country's constitution?<br><br>Cryos cites articles 237, 239 and 242 which I have shown his actions did not violate. Cryos has not ventured an opinion about how the poll Zelaya wanted violates any of them. I've read it and can't see any grounds for conviction there. As to what he may have said that was not in his ballot initiative (legal as noted above), civilized nations can't convict for crimes not committed. The law, despite the snarling, angry, insult peppered rants that apparently pass for debate in your corner of the playpen, is clear on these matters.<br><blockquote>\"Article 272 of the Constitution gives the military the power to enforce term limits\"<br></blockquote>Agreed, but his term is not yet up. <br><blockquote>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country's supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br></blockquote>but his term is not yet up<br><blockquote>Whoa, GD- now you are actually claiming that legally Zelaya should not only serve the remainder of his term but should be given a second term? Surely you didn't mean that the way you wrote it.<br></blockquote>Not at all. He is not allowed to run again, is not a candidate in the November elections, and even if his ballot measure passed, would not--could not--possibly have a new Constitution by then (1-2 years is the estimate of experts). <br><blockquote>Also, it seems that the charges that led to his arrest had to do with him illegally ordering the referendum question on the ballots<br></blockquote>Not illegal. In fact, a consitiuent assembly is the only legitimate way to rewrite the constitution. \"President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran \u201cCivil Participation Act\u201d of 2006.&nbsp; According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures.\" CS, his opponents ripped up that poor country to prevent a non-binding poll? I consider you pretty reasonable. Can't imagine you think this is a reasonable response to a president calling for a poll of the people.<br><blockquote>This is a 5th grade argument.<br></blockquote>Then a 5th grader could answer it. You cannot.<br><blockquote>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br></blockquote>They could obey their laws that forbid expatriating Hondurans, forbid conviction without trial, etc.<br><blockquote>I really doubt you even have friends in Honduras, sounds like a blogger soap box to me.<br></blockquote>So now I'm a liar too? That's uncalled for. I've had quite enough of you two. Believe what you want.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_20:31:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12300918": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>After all, we just celebrated our own country's decision to use military power to overthrow what was considered an illegitimate government.</i><br><br>Oh, Christine, you sly fox, you! I know you're just trying to make sure we're all awake and paying attention, right? Of <b>course</b> you know the answer to your statement -- it's too obvious for you not to know -- but you want to see if we know it, too. Right?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_01:24:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "kathykattenburg", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12257784": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "From this AP report on Obama's most recent comments, a good thumbnail of the history and what you are all either missing or refusing to admit:<br><a href=\"http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/in-russia-president-obama-explains-his-support-for-ousted-president-of-honduras.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07...</a><br><br>\"<i>Every branch of government sided against Zelaya and Congress began discussing impeachment proceedings. Acting on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, soldiers arrested Zelaya on June 28 and sent him into exile in Costa Rica. </i>\"<br><br>Did you catch the key part there? \"began <b>discussing</b> impeachment proceededings.\"<br><br>All they had to do was finish. And no, you can't do a \"defacto one day impeachment\" when your constitution has procedures in place for an actual impeachment. Defending the current situation is not defending the rule of law. It's the opposite. With everything you've been pointing out, even you should be able to see that it would be no problem whatsoever to drum up the support to impeach him and most certainly prevent him from holding up the due electoral process. What happened there was a coup even if the military didn't \"take over\" afterward. That distinction is not germane to this discussion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_11:47:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "Jazz", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 5, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12298580": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, in your world Steve, pointing out the obsessive nature of someone on an issue is a 'blatant attack'? Using sarcasm on someone who is presenting his opinions as 'facts', and facts that disprove the combined opinions of all branches of the Honduran government is somehow untoward?<br><br>My, what thin skin you have for GD. You also seem to think he needs your protection. I have not found GD needing others to speak on his behalf, myself.<br><br>Go back to stroking your putter. You are better at that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_23:32:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "AustinRoth", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12293860, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12310778": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Austin Roth--<br><blockquote>Another point about this 'debate' is that it is clearly spelling out the tendency for the Left to ignore the law when it does not provide the results it wants, or to claim the laws must be illegitimate because it 'feels wrong to them'.</blockquote><br><br>Maybe the debate is really showing the tendency of the Right to support any military overthrow of any government they consider illegitimate?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_09:52:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 12309382, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12264827": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "update, both Honduran military and Attorney General admit it was done illegally:<br>From <a href=\"http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/06/honduras-coup-just-impeachment-by-military-force-nope-still-a-coup.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">At Largely</a></p><blockquote><p>In an interview with The Miami Herald and El Salvador\u2019s elfaro digital news site, army attorney Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza acknowledged that top military brass made the call to forcibly remove Zelaya \u2014 and they broke laws when they did it.</p><p>It was the first time any participant in Sunday\u2019s overthrow admitted committing an offense and the first time a Honduran authority revealed who made the decision that has been denounced worldwide.</p><p>`THERE WAS A CRIME\u2019</p><p>\u201dWe know there was a crime there,\u201d said Inestroza, the top legal advisor for the Honduran armed forces. \u201cIn the moment that we took him out of the country, in the way that he was taken out, there is a crime. Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us.\u201d&lt;<br><br>This week, Deputy Attorney General Roy David Urtecho told reporters that he launched an investigation into why Zelaya was removed by force instead of taken to court.&lt;/span&gt;</p></blockquote>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:15:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12317820": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Somebody's being a little <i>obsessive</i>. ; )", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-08_12:49:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "GeorgeSorwell", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12265597": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oops Green Dreams I didn't follow that link and see rebelreports had a lot in the original story. My fault. Please paste in the impeachment process since it should be easy to find it sounds like.<br><br>It doesn't make a viewpoint invalid but when I want to learn about something I would suggest looking at a ton of different news sources not merely finding one that justifies a desired viewpoint and repeating it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_13:21:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "Cryos", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "12270485": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "My initial comment cited the clause: \"a legal procedure sheltered in article 205 nr. 22 of the 1982 Constitution, which states that public officials that are suspected to violate the law are subject to impeachment by the National Congress.\" I said I can't find a direct translation, not that there is no process. Nonetheless, I have posted the exact sections of the constitution violated by the SC and Congress. You have not yet come up with a single fact supporting the allegation of illegal activity by Zelaya, which presumably is why the UN, EU, OAS and USA all oppose what was done. Whose arguments are moot?<br><br>You are not helping your case by ranting about \"dictators.\" WHAT DID ZELAYA DO? He didn't call for extension of his term, nor for amendment of the current constitution, nor for any powers whatsoever. Come on, man. Trying to have a discussion here. What do you have?<br><br>Oh, by the way, I failed to mention that in Honduras, as here, the president is the commander in chief of the military. The SC had no right to reinstate a general who had committed subordination.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-07-07_15:06:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "5 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "http://themoderatevoice.com/disqus-blank.html", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "24519050", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "2724", "hash": 8416021879741424478}, "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "honduras_and_the_rule_of_law", "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 24519050, "num_posts": 81, "closed": true, "queued": false, "killed": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": false, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "8e626a1cbe92745e5f4435bb28791555", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
	/* */ this.jsonData.cookie_messages = {"user_created": null, "post_has_profile": null, "post_twitter": null, "post_not_approved": null}; this.jsonData.session = {"url": null, "name": null, "email": null}; /* */

	
	this.curPageId = 'dsq-comments';

	this.frames = {};
};

var disqus_popup_reference = null;

if(typeof DsqLocal == 'undefined') {
	DsqLocal = {};
}



/**
 * Dsq.Strings: UI strings
 */
Dsq.Strings = new function() {
	this.ADD_NEW_COMMENT = "Add New Comment";
	this.LOG_INTO_DISQUS = "Log into DISQUS";
	this.USE_MEDIA = "Use Media";
	this.LOGOUT = "Logout";
	this.SHARING_OPTIONS = "Sharing options";
	this.SHARE_ON = "Share on";
	this.TWEET_THIS_COMMENT = "Tweet this comment";
	this.SHARE_ON_NEWSFEED = "Share on news feed";
	this.SEND_UPDATE_TO_YAHOO = "Send update to Yahoo!";
	this.REBLOG_ON = "Reblog on";
	this.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS = "Configure options";
	this.POST_AS = "Post as";
	this.SORT_BY = "Sort by";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe by email";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS = "Subscribe by RSS";
	this.POPULAR_NOW = "Popular now";
	this.BEST_RATING = "Best Rating";
	this.NEWEST_FIRST = "Newest first";
	this.OLDEST_FIRST = "Oldest first";
	this.HIGHLIGHTED = "Highlighted";
	this.UNSUBSCRIBE = "Unsubscribe";
	this.REQUIRED = "Required";
	this.OPTIONAL = "Optional";
	this.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A = "You are commenting as a";
	this.LOGIN_BELOW = "Login below";
	this.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT = "Please login below to comment.";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe to all comments by email";
	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
  this.MODERATE_OPTIONS = "Moderate Options";

  // Thread moderator actions
  this.CLOSE_THREAD = "Close thread";
  this.OPEN_THREAD = "Open thread";
  this.REMOVE_THREAD = "Remove thread";
  this.RESTORE_THREAD = "Restore thread";
  this.ACTIONS = "Actions";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = 'a2d140c59df8cd4ce27a20e0829cacd8';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=themoderatevoice' +
		'&t=honduras_and_the_rule_of_law' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL + '</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS + '</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'honduras_and_the_rule_of_law'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/uploads/forums/2724//avatar92.jpg';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">81</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on The Moderate Voice" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:24519050" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'themoderatevoice',
			't'				: 'honduras_and_the_rule_of_law',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/honduras_and_the_rule_of_law/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'honduras_and_the_rule_of_law'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'honduras_and_the_rule_of_law'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'honduras_and_the_rule_of_law'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate-threads/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/24519050/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/themoderatevoice/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}









(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-12257784">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12257784" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12257784" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-12257784" href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jazz</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12257784" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12257784" class="dsq-comment-message">From this AP report on Obama\'s most recent comments, a good thumbnail of the history and what you are all either missing or refusing to admit:<br><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/in-russia-president-obama-explains-his-support-for-ousted-president-of-honduras.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07...</a><br><br>"<i>Every branch of government sided against Zelaya and Congress began discussing impeachment proceedings. Acting on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, soldiers arrested Zelaya on June 28 and sent him into exile in Costa Rica. </i>"<br><br>Did you catch the key part there? "began <b>discussing</b> impeachment proceededings."<br><br>All they had to do was finish. And no, you can\'t do a "defacto one day impeachment" when your constitution has procedures in place for an actual impeachment. Defending the current situation is not defending the rule of law. It\'s the opposite. With everything you\'ve been pointing out, even you should be able to see that it would be no problem whatsoever to drum up the support to impeach him and most certainly prevent him from holding up the due electoral process. What happened there was a coup even if the military didn\'t "take over" afterward. That distinction is not germane to this discussion.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-12262446">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12262446" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12262446" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12262446">Leonidas</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12262446" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12262446" class="dsq-comment-message">Here is my analogy from the other thread for comparison (with a bit of snark)<br><br>125-3 hmmm (that was the Hoduran Congress vote to remove Zelaya, including 59 of 62 memebers of his own party)<br><br>Lets play make believe for a minute. <br><br><br>Democratic Congressmen Charles Rangel, Dennis Kucinich, and Edward Kennedy (who was roused from his hospital bed to cast his vote) went against the impeachment proceedings of President Barack Obama which enjoyed overwhelming bilateral support after President Obama attempted to force through an executive order allowing him a third term which was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Rep Maxine Waters (D-CA) remarked "This is a sad day, but the Constitution must be upheld. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi added, "Although this situation was caused by the Republican Party and their reasonless opposition to everything President Obama tried to do, he still has to go. Vice President Joe Biden will be confirmed as President as per the Constitional sucession. Biden made a brief comment, "We must move forward, and I will uphold the duties of the office to the best of my ability. Its all about that 10 letter word the C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N." Biden, when asked by a reporter if he was happy to be the next President responded ""Give me a f**king break."" It was uncertain if Biden realized there was an open microphone nearby.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-12263385">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12263385" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12263385" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-12263385" href="http://greendreams.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GreenDreams</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12263385" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12263385" class="dsq-comment-message">Good post Jazz. Of course your detractors here, they are the true arbiters of fact and justice of the world. They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars. They are, after all, BLOG COMMENTERS. /sarcasm.<br><br>Once again, HERE are the facts. If you want to argue them, cite sections of the Constitution and translations of the factual basis of your diatribes. I call BS on talking points. The Honduran Constitution is a public document, as is the precise wording of Zelaya\'s proposed ballot measure. Legality is very precise in these matters. It is pointless to argue what Zelaya\'s intent was. The TEXT of what he proposed does not appear to violate the Constitution. The military removal of a sitting president DOES violate the Constitution.<br><br>For those asserting that Zelaya violated the Honduran constitution, but more for those who want an accurate analysis of the situation, here are <a href="http://rebelreports.com/post/133319827/why-president-zelayas-actions-in-honduras-were-legal" rel="nofollow">the facts</a>, with citations to the Honduran Constitution:<br><blockquote>President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran “Civil Participation Act” of 2006.&nbsp; According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006.&nbsp; That is, until the president of the republic employed it in a manner that was not amicable to the interests of the members of these institutions.<br><br>Furthermore, the Honduran Constitution says nothing against the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly, with the mandate to draw up a completely new constitution, which the Honduran public would need to approve. Such a popular participatory process would bypass the current liberal democratic one specified in article 373 of the current constitution, in which the National Congress has to approve with 2/3 of the votes, any reform to the 1982 Constitution, excluding reforms to articles 239 and 374. This means that a perfectly legal National Constituent Assembly would have a greater mandate and fewer limitations than the National Congress, because such a National Constituent Assembly would not be reforming the Constitution, but re-writing it. The National Constituent Assembly’s mandate would come directly from the Honduran people, who would have to approve the new draft for a constitution, unlike constitutional amendments that only need 2/3 of the votes in Congress. This popular constitution would be more democratic and it would contrast with the current 1982 Constitution, which was the product of a context characterized by counter-insurgency policies supported by the US-government, civil façade military governments and undemocratic policies. In opposition to other legal systems in the Central American region that (directly or indirectly) participated in the civil wars of the 1980s, the Honduran one has not been deeply affected by peace agreements and a subsequent reformation of the role played by the Armed Forces.<br><br>Recalling these observations, we can once again take a look at the widespread assumption that Zelaya was ousted as president after he tried to carry out a non-binding referendum to extend his term in office.&nbsp; <br><br>The poll was certainly non-binding, and therefore also not subject to prohibition.&nbsp; However it was not a referendum, as such public consultations are generally understood. Even if it had been, the objective was not to extend Zelaya’s term in office. In this sense, it is important to point out that Zelaya’s term concludes in January 2010.&nbsp; In line with article 239 of the Honduran Constitution of 1982, Zelaya is not participating in the presidential elections of November 2009, meaning that he could have not been reelected. Moreover, it is completely uncertain what the probable National Constituent Assembly would have suggested concerning matters of presidential periods and re-elections. These suggestions would have to be approved by all Hondurans and this would have happened at a time when Zelaya would have concluded his term. Likewise, even if the Honduran public had decided that earlier presidents could become presidential candidates again, this disposition would form a part of a completely new constitution. Therefore, it cannot be regarded as an amendment to the 1982 Constitution and it would not be in violation of articles 5, 239 and 374. The National Constituent Assembly, with a mandate from the people, would derogate the previous constitution before approving the new one. The people, not president Zelaya, who by that time would be ex-president Zelaya, would decide.<br><br>It is evident that the opposition had no legal case against President Zelaya. All they had was speculation about perfectly legal scenarios which they strongly disliked. Otherwise, they could have followed a legal procedure sheltered in article 205 nr. 22 of the 1982 Constitution, which states that public officials that are suspected to violate the law are subject to impeachment by the National Congress.</blockquote><br>Here\'s the translated text of the referendum<br><br><blockquote>Do you agree with the installation of a fourth ballot box during the 2009 general elections so that the people can decide on the calling of a national constituent assembly? Yes or no.<br></blockquote>If you want to check the translation, the original in Spanish is <a href="http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=16138" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.<br><blockquote>In other words: do you want there to be a ballot and a ballot box (Latin American elections often have one ballot per office and one ballot box per ballot) for the purpose of a referendum in November (alongside the presidential and congressional elections) to decide whether or not to call a constituent assembly to reform the constitution.<br></blockquote>Now, what about those who took over? How are they doing as "white hat" good guys?<br><br><p>And so today, Honduras said goodbye to the following <a href="http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2.html" rel="nofollow">articles of its Constitution</a>:</p>  <blockquote><strong>Article 69:</strong> "A persons liberty is inviolable and can only be restricted or suspended temporarily through process of law."  <p><br><strong>Article 71:</strong> "No person can be arrested nor kept incommunicado for more than 24 hours without being placed before a competent authority to be judged. Judicial detention during an investigation must not exceed six consecutive days from the moment that the same is ordered."</p>  <p><strong>Article 78:</strong> "Freedoms of association and meeting are always guaranteed when they are not contrary to public order and good customs.</p>  <p><strong>Article 79:</strong> "All persons have the right to meet with others, peacefully and without weapons, in public demonstration or transitory assembly, in relation to their common interests of any type, without necessity of notice or special permission."</p>  <p><strong>Article 81:</strong> "All persons have the right to circulate freely, leave, enter, and remain in national territory. No one can be obligated to change home or residence except in special cases and with those requirements that the Law establishes."</p></blockquote><br>Jazz is exactly right. Despite what some commenters on TMV have asserted, the Honduran Constitution does have an impeachment clause, just like our Constitution, and it is and should be the process for removing the president, should that be legally justified under Honduran law. It appears that Zelaya crafted a "referendum" that was <b>not </b>illegal, did <b>not </b>call for amending the current Constitution and did <b>not </b>call for allowing a second presidential term, nor allowing a former president to stand for future electionl</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12256150" class="dsq-comment-message">You left out a few key steps in your hypothetical timeline.<br><br>First, you need to add in the step that the ENTIRE Congress of the United States, both House and Senate, voted UNANIMOUSLY to remove the President. <br><br>Since our Constitution allows the House to IMPEACH a President and the Senate to vote to remove him if the charges are founded.  Therefore the actions of the Honduras Congress amounts to an instant one day impeachment.<br><br>Nextg, this step is also incorrect. "The Supreme Court orders the Joint Chiefs to arrest Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts swears in Mitch McConnell as president."<br><br>What is wrong with your hypothetical here is "Mitch McConnell" is a Republican.  He is not next in line per the Constitution of the United States.<br><br>You would need to insert \'Nancy Pelosi\' in here as she is currently third in line.  The reason it would not be \'Joe Biden\' the second in line, is because to keep the hypothetical true to their situation, Joe Biden has resigned his office of Vice President so that he could run for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency has not yet been filled.<br><br>The Honduran Congress put in charge the person who was next in line per their Constitution!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12254884" class="dsq-comment-message">Your objections bring us back to the question of whether or not Honduras is a true, democratic republic or a banana republic. Yes, Zalaya can "call for" a referendum to change the constitution. He can also "call for" everyone in the country to bring him a chicken. Without the support of the legislature, the courts or the military, will it happen? Obama also could "call for" a third term. Nobody would support him in any official capacity and a new president would be elected. So which is it? Could Zelaya force a change to the constitution in violation of the law and take a third term? If the answer is yes, then the place is a banana republic and there was no hope for it to begin with. If no, then there is no harm in returning him to office and impeaching him.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12253482" class="dsq-comment-message">Your analogy has one very fatal flaw.  It does not mention Pres. Obama intentionally violating a Supreme Court ruling and violating the constitution itself (the Honduran Consititution requires that constitutional reform be authorized by the congress not president).  A more realistic analogy would be that Obama is near the end of his second term and wants to run for re-election in violation of the constitutional ban on a U.S. president serving a maximum of two terms.  Obama threatens to dissolve parliment and insists on a national referendum on the subject (even though the US constitution requires that constititutional amendments be passed by 2/3\'s majority of state legislatures).  The U.S. Supreme court rules that his plans for the referendum are illegal, but Obama persists...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12291445" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>GreenDreams the Supreme Court, AG and legislature of Honduras decided the move was unconstitutional. I think they are most qualified to interpret their constitution so you merely saying it doesn\'t means nothing.<br></blockquote>apparently, not. They themselves violated the Constitution, articles 69,71, 78, 79, 81 and 102. This pretty much invalidates their credentials as arbiters of the law, does it not? The army\'s attorney thinks so, <br><blockquote>”We know there was a crime there,” said Inestroza, the top legal advisor for the Honduran armed forces. “In the moment that we took him out of the country, in the way that he was taken out, there is a crime. Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us.”<br></blockquote>So the army, knowing it is committing an illegal act, believes it will be acquitted "because of the circumstances." Circumstances that justify violation of 6 articles of the country\'s constitution?<br><br>Cryos cites articles 237, 239 and 242 which I have shown his actions did not violate. Cryos has not ventured an opinion about how the poll Zelaya wanted violates any of them. I\'ve read it and can\'t see any grounds for conviction there. As to what he may have said that was not in his ballot initiative (legal as noted above), civilized nations can\'t convict for crimes not committed. The law, despite the snarling, angry, insult peppered rants that apparently pass for debate in your corner of the playpen, is clear on these matters.<br><blockquote>"Article 272 of the Constitution gives the military the power to enforce term limits"<br></blockquote>Agreed, but his term is not yet up. <br><blockquote>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country\'s supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br></blockquote>but his term is not yet up<br><blockquote>Whoa, GD- now you are actually claiming that legally Zelaya should not only serve the remainder of his term but should be given a second term? Surely you didn\'t mean that the way you wrote it.<br></blockquote>Not at all. He is not allowed to run again, is not a candidate in the November elections, and even if his ballot measure passed, would not--could not--possibly have a new Constitution by then (1-2 years is the estimate of experts). <br><blockquote>Also, it seems that the charges that led to his arrest had to do with him illegally ordering the referendum question on the ballots<br></blockquote>Not illegal. In fact, a consitiuent assembly is the only legitimate way to rewrite the constitution. "President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran “Civil Participation Act” of 2006.&nbsp; According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures." CS, his opponents ripped up that poor country to prevent a non-binding poll? I consider you pretty reasonable. Can\'t imagine you think this is a reasonable response to a president calling for a poll of the people.<br><blockquote>This is a 5th grade argument.<br></blockquote>Then a 5th grader could answer it. You cannot.<br><blockquote>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br></blockquote>They could obey their laws that forbid expatriating Hondurans, forbid conviction without trial, etc.<br><blockquote>I really doubt you even have friends in Honduras, sounds like a blogger soap box to me.<br></blockquote>So now I\'m a liar too? That\'s uncalled for. I\'ve had quite enough of you two. Believe what you want.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12264827" class="dsq-comment-message">update, both Honduran military and Attorney General admit it was done illegally:<br>From <a href="http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/06/honduras-coup-just-impeachment-by-military-force-nope-still-a-coup.html" rel="nofollow">At Largely</a></p><blockquote><p>In an interview with The Miami Herald and El Salvador’s elfaro digital news site, army attorney Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza acknowledged that top military brass made the call to forcibly remove Zelaya — and they broke laws when they did it.</p><p>It was the first time any participant in Sunday’s overthrow admitted committing an offense and the first time a Honduran authority revealed who made the decision that has been denounced worldwide.</p><p>`THERE WAS A CRIME’</p><p>”We know there was a crime there,” said Inestroza, the top legal advisor for the Honduran armed forces. “In the moment that we took him out of the country, in the way that he was taken out, there is a crime. Because of the circumstances of the moment this crime occurred, there is going to be a justification and cause for acquittal that will protect us.”&lt;<br><br>This week, Deputy Attorney General Roy David Urtecho told reporters that he launched an investigation into why Zelaya was removed by force instead of taken to court.&lt;/span&gt;</p></blockquote></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12261389" class="dsq-comment-message">"And no, you can\'t do a "defacto one day impeachment" when your constitution has procedures in place for an actual impeachment."<br><br>So what is your defense for the actions of Zelaya?  If he is going to clearly violate the Constitution AND change it permanently, what is wrong with taking him from power so that the Constitution can stay intact and not be changed without going through the proper channels?  He fired many top military leaders so that he could use the military to his advantage to enforce the changes that he wanted.  I\'m glad that the military remembered that they are to defend their country and not just the president.<br><br>Thank you for letting the people of Honduras know how to run their country.  Both sides were in violation of their Constitution but one was a power grab and one was to make sure the Constitution was not changed illegally.  I\'m sure there could have been a better way to get rid of mini-Chavez, but shipping him out in his PJs was how they did it.  They didn’t want him to complete his one sided referendum with no oversight that he was going to do the next day because they know that Chavez was a puppet master of all of this.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12255022">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12255022" class="dsq-comment-message">Honduras is spot on.  The media and the state department in the US are not getting the story right.  The US and the OAS is not concerned with the will of Honduran people, they just don\'t want any members of their country club to be shipped out of his own country in PJs.  The referendum was only the straw that broke the camels back.  Zelaya has not submitted a budget to congress since 2007.  The man has been spending money off the books with no one keeping track.  He was going to dissolve congress and fired all the military leaders that would not back his crazy power grab.  Yesterday the Catholic Church in Honduras came out in support for the new government which proves that the new government has the backing of the major pillars in Honduras.  The only people that back Zelaya are a minority of Hondurans who think that Zelaya will be like Chavez (socialist) and want a Chavez like leader and the leaders from other countries who believe that leaders are more important than the people.  The people in Honduras know that he is a puppet of Chaves and is suspected of helping in the drug trade, they wanted him out before he changed the rules to keep power.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12253400" class="dsq-comment-message">"The Supreme Court orders the Joint Chiefs to arrest Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts swears in Mitch McConnell as president."<br><br>You know Jazz, there are some in Punditville that would be ecstatic at your above statement and cheer it as "America Being Strong" (yeah, strongly stupid).  But your right, that would be the end of America as we know it.  The Supreme Court getting rid of a U.S. President by force???  I would have a mini-heart atttack.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12310778" class="dsq-comment-message">Austin Roth--<br><blockquote>Another point about this \'debate\' is that it is clearly spelling out the tendency for the Left to ignore the law when it does not provide the results it wants, or to claim the laws must be illegitimate because it \'feels wrong to them\'.</blockquote><br><br>Maybe the debate is really showing the tendency of the Right to support any military overthrow of any government they consider illegitimate?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12293860" class="dsq-comment-message">GreenDreams, If you were wondering how long it would take for someone to change this thread into a blatant attack on you and your person, you need wait no longer. AR seems to think he\'s up to the task.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12291123" class="dsq-comment-message">Cryos--<br><br>I haven\'t claimed any expertise on this topic. <br><br>However, earlier you made the following accusation toward GreenDreams:   <blockquote>I don\'t think there is an impeachment clause and unless you prove otherwise it makes your initial post moot. The MSM doesn\'t have anything on impeachment whatsoever and I am unable to find one anywhere so I think the impeachment issue is an empty dishonest talking point to support pre-determined conclusions.</blockquote> Calling him dishonest seemed both harsh and inaccurate. (And saying he just wanted to support a pre-determined conclusion seemed like the pot calling the kettle black.) So I spent about twenty seconds on Wikipedia to find some evidence of the existence of an impeachment process under the Honduran Constitution and when I found it I posted it for all to see. <br><br>Now, I recognize that Wikipedia-bashing is a popular sport on the internet. But the Wikipedia usually does provide sources for its information. I\'m not sure anyone bothered to look for it, but the footnote for the portion I quoted went to <a href="http://countrystudies.us/honduras/87.htm" rel="nofollow">this website</a>.  <br><br>Nobody has to love the Wikipedia. Nobody has to love the underlying source. But to call GreenDreams dishonest seemed objectively false. Evidence of impeachment procedures exists. I think you went too far when you did that, Cryos. <br><br>Again, I\'m not an expert on this. But calling in the military to remove a democratically elected President is a very extreme action to undertake. I would guess that there were less draconian alternatives to his military expulsion from the country. It\'s hard to believe that a Constitution would make no judicial or quasi-judicial provision for the removal of its elected officials of the kind that we commonly call <em>impeachment</em>. I doubt that all the procedural alternatives were exhausted. I think they should have been exhausted before applying force. <br><br>Additionally, his expulsion has been called illegal by several external organizations, including the American State Department and the OAS. The objection against those judgments seems to be that they were just playing politics. But if the groups you\'ve cited (the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal) did something illegal, why wouldn\'t try to cover themselves by claiming their actions were in fact constitutional--by, in short, playing some politics of their own?   <br><br>I\'m here defending the idea of the rule of law. I realize I\'m not Jazz\'s favorite guy, but I think he got this right: "It’s the idea that the body of laws itself is the final arbiter - that no person or group of people is equal to or above those laws and the concepts they embody." I quoted from "A Man for All Seasons" to the effect that while the law may not provide convenient answers to problems you feel passionate about, the application of legal procedure protects the innocent as much as it protects Satan himself. And without its protections, the innocent will be subject to Satan\'s will. <br><br>I\'m also here defending GreenDreams against the charges of dishonesty and bad faith. <br><br>And I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with citing a reasonably-sourced Wikipedia article.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12277454" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s easy enough to read their constitution and infere that there wasn\'t anything to wrong with Zelaya\'s "poll". Now please find in ours where there is a right to privacy that includes abortions, Miranda rights, the ability to prevent one from owning a firearm, ect. Zelaya did do something illegal and, according to the Honduran Supreme Court, something unconstitutional. <br><br>GD said"Of course your detractors here, they are the true arbiters of fact and justice of the world. They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars. They are, after all, BLOG COMMENTERS. /sarcasm"<br><br><br>Of course you know you can turn this right around and say the the Honduran Supreme Court should be the defining voice in the argument. We certainly believe that here in the US (about our court and the constitution). Right now you have that they should of kept him in country while the Congress voted him out, which they did 120 something to 3. Ok they violated his rights because they got scared there might be riots or an actual takeover of govt if they F. U. the deal. So? Why would that make his being voted out invalid?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12279450" class="dsq-comment-message">So, give up yet? None of you can show a shred of evidence that Zelaya 1) attempted to extend his term, 2) attempted to allow re-election of a former president, 3) attempted to amend the current 1982 Constitution. Period. You can\'t prove it. At all. So you insult me and Obama and the OAS and Chavez and everyone who disagrees with you. By the way, I have not defended Chavez in any way, and have made it clear that I\'m not a fan of Zelaya. Let me say that again. I DON\'T LIKE ZELAYA !!!! Damn. can I make it any clearer. Cmon, folks.<br><br>The clause cited as an impeachment clause is vague. It says basically that the government can investigate any public official. However, as Jazz wrote a half mile up this thread, Congress had begun discussing impeachment, so presumably they think there\'s a way to do that. But there is nothing in their constitution that shields any Honduran from prosecution for breaking Honduran law. That includes the Courts, the Congress and the Military, all of whom have CLEARLY violated the law, as I have cited. <br><br>Now, time for you to defend YOUR heroes, the military and the new government. They broke into the presidential residence, beat Zelaya (according to his wife), fired rifles in the residence, though none in Zelaya\'s family were armed, threatened to kill Zelaya and his family. Tanks in the streets, firing tear gas, electricity and phone service cut, press freedom suspended, right to peaceful assembly suspended. You know what? If it looks like a coup, sounds like a coup and reads like a coup, it\'s probably a coup.<br><br>I have friends in Honduras. At no time in Zelaya\'s rule did they fear for their homes, their businesses, their investments. Now they are VERY concerned. Tourism, once among the brightest spots in the economy (say, a week ago), has crashed. This is NOT a good thing for Honduras. Suffering four more months of Zelaya\'s rule sure seems like the better option to me, not to mention, it IS the legal option.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12279750" class="dsq-comment-message">Zelaya\'s ouster was entirely legal and proper.  Moreover, the above blog post is based on an obsolete 1995 analysis of Honduras\'s constitution.<br><br>But Honduras\'s constitution has changed since then, as to the relevant provisions like impeachment.<br><br>As a result, scholars have argued that there isn\'t a viable impeachment mechanism in the constitution.<br><br>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country\'s supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>(The U.S. has used the military to enforce court orders too, as in Cooper v. Aaron, where federal troops were called out to desegregate the Little Rock Public Schools in response to a governor\'s defiance of a court order).</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12273437" class="dsq-comment-message">red herrings. What Zelaya actually did does not violate any of the sections you cite. He did not call for extension of his term, did not call for amending the current constitution, and his ballot measure did not even hint at inclusion of any such measure in a new constitution, if and when one was drafted, which new constitution would have to be approved by the citizens of Honduras. None of this is in any way unconstitutional. Face it, he cleverly avoided all of these things. Read the ballot measure. Even the most partisan writers have not found a way to interpret the actual language of his proposed ballot measure as stating or implying any of these. You can\'t challenge a contract based on what you believe the contract is intended to accomplish, only what it actually says. And remember, as I said, I don\'t like Zelaya. I do like the rule of law.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12270485" class="dsq-comment-message">My initial comment cited the clause: "a legal procedure sheltered in article 205 nr. 22 of the 1982 Constitution, which states that public officials that are suspected to violate the law are subject to impeachment by the National Congress." I said I can\'t find a direct translation, not that there is no process. Nonetheless, I have posted the exact sections of the constitution violated by the SC and Congress. You have not yet come up with a single fact supporting the allegation of illegal activity by Zelaya, which presumably is why the UN, EU, OAS and USA all oppose what was done. Whose arguments are moot?<br><br>You are not helping your case by ranting about "dictators." WHAT DID ZELAYA DO? He didn\'t call for extension of his term, nor for amendment of the current constitution, nor for any powers whatsoever. Come on, man. Trying to have a discussion here. What do you have?<br><br>Oh, by the way, I failed to mention that in Honduras, as here, the president is the commander in chief of the military. The SC had no right to reinstate a general who had committed subordination.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-12266079" href="http://greendreams.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GreenDreams</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12266079" class="dsq-comment-message">Looking for a translation of the impeachment clause. I have not found it yet. Meanwhile, having the complete text of the ballot measure Zelaya was implementing for the NOVEMBER election, in which he is not a candidate, explain to me where he proposed 1) amending the current constitution, 2) extending his current term, 3) allowing a second term for presidents, or 4) that an ex-president can run again.<br><br>Sure glad you guys aren\'t MY lawyers. There is a picture of the ballot box at my link above. There is no hidden text in what Zelaya proposed, and whether you like him or not, whether I like him or not (I don\'t), you have to DO something illegal to be unlawful.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-12266955" href="http://greendreams.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GreenDreams</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12266955" class="dsq-comment-message">Tegucigalpa, you struck out. You can\'t assert with evidence that would be allowed in any court, that Zelaya did anything illegal. You failed to answer any of the 4 points in my post above. However, here\'s what the SC and military did that is unconstitutional:<br><blockquote>Chapter 2, on individual rights, declares in Article 82 says the right of defense is inviolable. Unlike some other guarantees that many argue were violated (such as article 99, that holds that the residence is inviolable, but allows entry without permission if authorized) this one does not have an exception. Zelaya was not charged nor allowed his defense.<br><br>Article 90 guarantees a trial. Again, it allows no exceptions other than military courts-martial. It specifically excludes military courts from extending their power to civilians.<br><br>Article 102 says, in its entirety,<br><br>"Ningún hondureño podrá ser expatriado ni entregado por las autoridades a un Estado extranjero."<br><br>(No Honduran can be expatriated nor sent to the authorities of a foreign State)<br><br>This one clearly does not permit what was done to Zelaya. You can dislike his policies, you can even propose to read his mind, but you cannot make a series of unconstitutional actions constitutional by liking the effect they produce.</blockquote></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12260432">DaGoat</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12260432" class="dsq-comment-message">Jazz if what the Honduran government was illegal under Honduran law then I agree with you.  The problem is I still can\'t tell what Honduran law is.  Most of the Hondurans (or people claiming to be Hondurans) that have posted here seem to think the law was followed.  The Merrill link really is not adequate to answer the question.<br><br>Discussion of US law is not relevant.  Discussion of the use of the military also is irrelevant to the issue of whether the Congress and Court were acting within Honduran law in deciding to remove Zalaya.  I agree the use of the military to enforce a warrant seems excessive, although whether that is legal or not in Honduras is less clear.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12262586">Leonidas</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12262586" class="dsq-comment-message">Here is something else:<br><br>"No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."<br><br>-- Article 239 of Honduras\'s Constitution<br><br><a href="http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2" rel="nofollow">http://www.honduras.net/honduras_constitution2</a>..<br><br>Note the words "immediately cease"  Zalaya was warned and continued and the Supreme Court made a ruling and called in the army to enforce that constitutional requirement for immediate removal.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12262835">casualobserver</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12262835" class="dsq-comment-message">Good discussion and good points on both sides.<br><br>I do see the Honduran nationals point.<br><br>When it comes to the survival of your homeland, you not as prone to be academic as you can be from a palatial retreat high up in the Catskills.<br><br>But, Hondurans also need to realize Obama is going to be prone to the same academics because he too is not feeling the heat.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12263585">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12263585" class="dsq-comment-message">@Leonidas haha I like it.  Don\'t forget to include in your story that Obama would have to been using the treasury to fund programs without submitting a budget to Congress for a full year at that point.  And the media coverage around the world after the fact would only be focusing on the Obama supporters who care less about the Constitution and love the man.  Then, all the leaders around the world side with Obama and have no regard for the will of the people.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12257153">honduras</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12257153" class="dsq-comment-message">Further to my comment above, also please imagine Obama had increasingly alligned the U.S. with Iran and N. Korea, and imported the ballots for the \'referendum\' from Iran (with much speculation that the ballots were rigged) instead of printing them in the USA.  Or, since the US tends to use electornic voting, the software for the election was written and imported from Iran immediately (three days) prior to the illegal referendum without any impartial supervision as to the content.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12262623" class="dsq-comment-message">The Obama administration needs to clearly state why they are in support of Zeyala so that all this questioning can be put to rest. If we know his true beliefs on the subject, it will be easier to analyze his perspective. According to France 24, "Weary of appearing too close to U.S. adversary Chavez, conservative leaders don’t want to rock the boat and upset Washington.” <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/welcome_anywhere_but_home" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/welcome_anywhere_bu...</a> Ironic how we now side with Zeyala.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12263052">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12263052" class="dsq-comment-message">I have been unable to find any articles of impeachment. My understanding is their constitution does not have a good way to remove the president and that\'s the problem.<br><br>If someone can point out where they even CAN formally impeach please do. The MSM isn\'t proving any relevant facts so minor sites and blogs are the only places with real facts.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12263920">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12263920" class="dsq-comment-message">GreenDreams 0 minutes ago ====<br>Despite what some commenters on TMV have asserted, the Honduran Constitution does have an impeachment clause, just like our Constitution, and it is and should be the process for removing the president, should that be legally justified under Honduran law.<br>===================================<br>Could you post that impeachment clause? I\'ve heard several people SAY there is a clause but no one can manage to paste it in. You pasted in other articles not the impeachment clause.<br><br>Also you should reference articles 237, 239 and 242, Zelaya WAS acting unconstitutionally and only agreed to make the referendum non-binding at the last minute after multiple rebukes by the Supreme Courrt.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12264939">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12264939" class="dsq-comment-message">Also green dreams pasting in someone else\'s analysis doesn\'t really count as your own.<br><br>Pasting information directly from sites like <a href="http://commondreams.org" rel="nofollow">commondreams.org</a> and <a href="http://obamaers.com" rel="nofollow">obamaers.com</a> is fine but it also reveals the viewpoint you are taking. It is your right to do so but pasting information from articles named like "Totalitarian Rightists Put Orwellian Spin on Honduras Coup" is not exactly factually based information.<br><br>Once again simply put in the impeachment process.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12265597" class="dsq-comment-message">Oops Green Dreams I didn\'t follow that link and see rebelreports had a lot in the original story. My fault. Please paste in the impeachment process since it should be easy to find it sounds like.<br><br>It doesn\'t make a viewpoint invalid but when I want to learn about something I would suggest looking at a ton of different news sources not merely finding one that justifies a desired viewpoint and repeating it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12265812" class="dsq-comment-message">Quote from "A Man for All Seasons":<br><blockquote>William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!<br><br>Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?<br><br>William Roper: Yes, I\'d cut down every law in England to do that!<br><br>Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned \'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man\'s laws, not God\'s! And if you cut them down, and you\'re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I\'d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety\'s sake! <br><br></blockquote></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12265822">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12265822" class="dsq-comment-message">@GreenDreams  I don\'t have the time to read you 30 page post but I will respond to the below noted boneheaded comment:<br><br>"They are so much smarter than Obama, Clinton, the UN, the OAS, European leaders or legal scholars."<br><br>ha ha ha.  You got it all wrong.  I\'m not saying, and I know the others on here are not saying, that we are SMARTER than the above noted people.  The above noted have to play ploitics with this deal, and supporting the will of the people is not how they are playing it, they are playing to the leader.  The msdia for the most part except a few (I hope you watched the New Hour on PBS last night to hear some coverage of the other side).  We don\'t have a strategic interest in the debate as all the above noted people do.  If the OAS and the US were to back the new Honduran government, it would be a slap in the face of Chavez.  Nether the OAS or the US is trying to piss of Chavez.  I don\'t care if he gets mad so I speak freely.  At the end of the day the Honduran people are in support of this change including the Catholic Church, so why does the rest of the world get to tell the people of Honduras how to run their government?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12266646" class="dsq-comment-message">@GreenDreams<br><br>"Sure glad you guys aren\'t MY lawyers."<br><br>I\'m glad you are just a random blogger who thinks other countries have the right to tell other countries how to run their government.  The will of the people has been fulfilled, deal with it.  The man was trying to pull a Chavez power grab and the leaders stood up for the country.  A country is defined not by its leaders but by its people.  Americans can have trouble understanding that because you worship pop icons like Michael Jackson and presidents like Obama.  You think resolutions have to be passed through governments instead of the will of the people being listened to.  The will of the people and maintaining the Constitution is more important.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12266897" class="dsq-comment-message">How is "the will of the people" being measured?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12267889">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12267889" class="dsq-comment-message">GreenDreams 11 minutes ago <br>==========================<br>Without an impeachment clause how is Honduras supposed to carry out its constitutional duty to immediately remove the president since he refused to remove himself?<br><br>Granted this was a bad move on their part and hopefully that part of their constitution can be altered to allow future impeachment proceedings but the law is murky in that area.<br><br>I don\'t think there is an impeachment clause and unless you prove otherwise it makes your initial post moot. The MSM doesn\'t have anything on impeachment whatsoever and I am unable to find one anywhere so I think the impeachment issue is an empty dishonest talking point to support pre-determined conclusions.<br><br>Maybe you are fine with socialist dictators breaking the constitutional law and not being held accountable due to technicalities but fortunately for Hondurans their government decided otherwise.<br><br>Score in Honduras.<br><br>Continued subjucation to leftist dictators whose goal is absolute power and control: 0<br><br>Republic saved from latin america dictatorship takeovers and checks and balances: 1</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12267971">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12267971" class="dsq-comment-message">Correction:<br><br>Continued subjucation to leftist dictators whose goal is absolute power and control: 0<br><br>Republic saved from latin america dictatorship takeovers and *good use of government checks and balances*: 1</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12270546" class="dsq-comment-message">The Wikipedia entry on the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Honduras" rel="nofollow">Honduran Supreme Court</A> describes its Constitutional functions as follows:   <blockquote>       It has fourteen constitutional powers and duties, including the appointment of judges and justices of the lower courts and public prosecutors; the power of declaring laws unconstitutional; <i>the power of trying high-ranking government officials, following a declaration by the National Congress of Honduras of grounds for impeachment</i>; and the publication of the court\'s official record, the Gaceta Judicial. </blockquote><br><br>I added a little emphasis to point out the part about impeachment.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12270714" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>Tegucigalpa, you struck out. You can\'t assert with evidence that would be allowed in any court, that Zelaya did anything illegal.</i><br><br>Illegal activity is not necessary to impeach someone, it merely has to be activity that is unacceptable to a majority of the Congress.  I think the only way for this argument to be solved is to see the applicable impeachment clauses of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>I do think the use of the military was excessive and probably unconstitutional, but that is a separate question from whether his removal from office was appropriate.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12270914">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12270914" class="dsq-comment-message">GreenDreams<br><br>IE you can\'t find the impeachment process. Perfect example why blinding believing leftist agenda sites (or right agenda sites) is a bad idea. Articles 237, 239 and 242 are relevant to the situation. To Sorwell a wikipedia reference with no backup means absolutely nothing.<br><br>""You are not helping your case by ranting about "dictators." WHAT DID ZELAYA DO? He didn\'t call for extension of his term, nor for amendment of the current constitution, nor for any powers whatsoever. Come on, man. Trying to have a discussion here. What do you have?""<br><br>You are wrong from my understanding. He called for EXACTLY THAT and only made the resolution proposal non-binding at the last minute. Also forcibly removing the ballots to distribute against the order of the court I believe was illegal<br><br>So you danced around the issue. Are you fine with socialist dictators breaking the constitutional law and not being held accountable due to technicalities? IE if a president breaks the law and there is not a clearly defined process in place to remove him do you believe leaving him in office is the only solution even if the constitution calls for otherwise? <br><br>And GreenDreams you are merely parroting others viewpoints that is not trying to have a dicussion. I at least can formulate my own thoughts and am not relying on pathetic partisan sites to make my argument for me. Anyone can be a tape recorder and merely regurgitate partisan op-ed material. I prefer a thinking brain.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12271122" class="dsq-comment-message">To add to my post maybe there is a formal impeachment process. However due to the lack of documentation of it ANYWHERE and the size of the situation I find it very unlikely. <br><br>Until someone can point it out I have to assume it is purposely not being investigated because it defies the leftist talking points.<br><br>Kind of like how people love to discuss the economic/housing situation and try to act like Freddie/Fannie don\'t exist, aren\'t costing $400 billion in bailouts and aren\'t paying out bigger bonuses than AIG. Yet Fannie/Freddie magically receives no notice.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12273430" class="dsq-comment-message">Great post, Jazz. We agree again. And I\'ll admit it feels good to have another TMV writer making these points. Thank you.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12274662" class="dsq-comment-message">Was that the same president that lost the vote but got into office after his brother certified he\'d won and the judges his dad appointed confirmed it?  Or was that some other banana republic?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12274895">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12274895" class="dsq-comment-message">GreenDreams the Supreme Court, AG and legislature of Honduras decided the move was unconstitutional. I think they are most qualified to interpret their constitution so you merely saying it doesn\'t means nothing. Liberals "world view" doesn\'t qualify them to legally interpret other countries\' constitutions as far as I know.<br><br>Once again danced around the issue. If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do? It\'s a simple question.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12275155">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12275155" class="dsq-comment-message">Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified? <br><br>Checks and balances.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12277147">Hans_Bader</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12277147" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m afraid there may be a big error in this post, which is seemingly based on outdated law.<br><br>It relies on a 1995 Merrill analysis of the Honduras Constitution.<br><br>But the article it cites was apparently amended (repealed in part) as to impeachment subsequently, a few years later.<br><br>Thus, some scholars, like Juan Carlos Hidalgo, say there isn\'t a viable impeachment mechanism in the Honduran Constitution now.<br><br>That buttresses the argument that Honduras acted legally and democratically in removing its ruler (the use of the military doesn\'t change that, since Article 272 of the Constitution gives the military the power to enforce term limits, i.e., the alternation of succession, and since the military is used to enforce the law in other countries as well -- think of federal troops enforcing court desegregation orders in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957, against the state\'s governor).<br><br>It is a strange Constitution, but we have no right to disregard it -- they\'ve held democratic elections for far longer than most of their neighboring countries, who now are hypocritically attacking them for booting out their scofflaw ex-president.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12277987">CStanley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12277987" class="dsq-comment-message">Personally I\'ll withhold judgement until more information is known, because certainly the rightness or wrongness of the actions of the Honduran military hinges on what the Constitution- in full- says. If, as some Honduran nationals are asserting, there is no viable process for impeachment which would proceed without military enforcement, then that\'s something which should be remedied in their Constitution in the future but it would give some legitimacy to the coup. After all, we just celebrated our own country\'s decision to use military power to overthrow what was considered an illegitimate government.<br><br>If, on the other hand, the Constitution contained a well defined means of impeaching Zelaya for the alleged infractions and those procedures were completely ignored, then the actions of the courts and military are more suspect.<br><br>It is interesting that some bloggers and commenters feel so sure that they know which is the case even before they\'ve seen the evidence, and interesting too that some authors being cited here have apparently taken the time to selectively translate certain articles of the Honduran Constitution which show violations by the military in this case (violations which are not even being denied, although the accused apparently feel that there was justification for the infractions), while there hasn\'t been a similar effort to address the other pertinent question of whether or not there was a more legitimate process encoded in the Constitution for Zelaya\'s removal from office after he ignored the country\'s Supreme Court rulling and fired military leaders who were attempting to enforce the court\'s ruling rather than obey his orders.<br><br>At least the Obama administration has said that it is investigating the circumstances before judging whether or not the removal of Zelaya was legal or extralegal. Maybe others ought to similarly reserve judgement.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12278078">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12278078" class="dsq-comment-message">@GreenDreams<br><br>Sorry for the delay, I had lunch and meetings.  If you are not aware of the laws he broke, I don\'t blame you because your media has not covered it.  I didn\'t address it because I assume that with all the dribble you wrote (which I didn\'t not have time to read all of it) that you know about him breaking in to the military facility where the ballots were being kept (not to mention his evolvement in the drug trade).  I think the way they sent him out of the country was ill-advised, but at the end of the day, the result was the will of the people and good for the country.  Please read the following article if you would like to know what is really going on.  If you can\'t read Spanish like I can, you really haven\'t been able to read or hear of the things this man was doing.  The English speaking media is not covering this other than making Zelaya look like a victim.  If you are not aware of the steps that Chavez took to become the tyrannical leader that he is today, you may not understand that he was using the Chavez playbook on how retain power and oppress your people.  Honduras did not want to be the next land of Chavez.  If you think that Chavez is a good guy than you are either ill-informed or you are a strict leftist.  If you are a leftist than more power to you but that makes your opinion as about as fair as Chavez himself.<br><br><a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2537" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12278527">D. E.Rodriguez</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12278527" class="dsq-comment-message">Suddenly we appear to have so many American experts of the Constitution, government and laws of Honduras.<br><br>I would love to jump into the discussion, but I am afraid it would take me a couple of weeks, at least, to get up to speed on Honduras Supreme Court, Legislature, AG, documents,decisions,  amendments, legislation, court cases, precedents, etc., etc., to be able to intelligently debate these issues, even though I am fluent in Spanish--but I\'ll resist.<br><br>I do, however, "admire" those who are debating this based on information from Wikipedia<br><br>(I have to admit, I have done so myself)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12279953">CStanley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12279953" class="dsq-comment-message">Whoa, GD- now you are actually claiming that legally Zelaya should not only serve the remainder of his term but should be given a second term? Surely you didn\'t mean that the way you wrote it.<br><br>Also, it seems that the charges that led to his arrest had to do with him illegally ordering the referendum question on the ballots- not the substance of what the ballot question was but the fact that he was trying to circumvent the Constitution to do this at all. Apparently only the Congress can put a referendum on the ballot, and the Congress opposed this move. He ordered the military to put it on the ballot anyway, and that was where the crisis began. So even if you are absolutely correct that his detractors are overstating what he tried to do in that referendum, that\'s besides the point when it comes to the legality questions. If Obama tried to tell election commissions in all the states to put a referendum on the ballot, no matter how innocuous the issue for vote actually was, it would still be illegal and he would be told that that\'s not the correct procedure. If he then defied those rulings, there would be a crisis that would have to be resolved in some fashion.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12280129">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12280129" class="dsq-comment-message">@GreenDreams<br><br>"None of you can show a shred of evidence that Zelaya 1) attempted to extend his term, 2) attempted to allow re-election of a former president, 3) attempted to amend the current 1982 Constitution." <br><br>This is a 5th grade argument.  I guess the many months of him saying that the above noted points are exactly what he was going to do is not evidence enough for you???  And I\'m sorry, but I could care less what your American friends in my country think.  They are welcome to leave; international flights are still running in and out of Honduras, just not as many as usual.<br><br>Zelaya\'s family is still in Honduras and are not being threatened or beaten.  I don\'t think the way they removed him from power was the best way to do it, but I doesn\'t mean that he deserves to be back in power.  It is too late now for him to return, it will only cause violence.  Real violence, not shipping people out in PJs or a kid getting shot off the airport fence he was trying to jump after being told he was going to be shot several times.<br><br>"press freedom suspended, right to peaceful assembly suspended"  This statement is nothing more than false.  The papers are running the tvs are playing and on American PBS Nightly News I saw an American reporter that was reporting from Tegucigalpa and was very free to do so.  The right to peaceful assembly is still allowed and there are plenty of rallies that start and end peacefully.  The reason some people have tear gas fired at them is because they throw rocks at the officers.  If it was really "peaceful" they would not have tear gas shot at them.<br><br>I really doubt you even have friends in Honduras, sounds like a blogger soap box to me.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12280507">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12280507" class="dsq-comment-message">Everyone is making this way too complicated. The \'rule of the law\' is quite simple:<br><br>If a Leftist is thrown out of office by force for corruption and scandal with the backing of the courts and the legislative branches, it is a coup.<br><br>If a Rightist is thrown out of office for corruption and scandal with the backing of the courts and the legislative branches, it is the Will of the People.<br><br>See? Like I said, it is easy.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12280636">Hans_Bader</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12280636" class="dsq-comment-message">Zelaya\'s ouster was entirely legal and proper. Moreover, the above blog post is based on an obsolete 1995 analysis of Honduras\'s constitution.<br><br>But Honduras\'s constitution has changed since then, as to the relevant provisions like impeachment.<br><br>As a result, scholars have argued that there isn\'t a viable impeachment mechanism in the constitution.<br><br>By contrast, the military was expressly authorized to do what it did both by the country\'s supreme court and by Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution.<br><br>(The U.S. has used the military to enforce court orders too, as in Cooper v. Aaron, where federal troops were called out to desegregate the Little Rock Public Schools in response to a governor\'s defiance of a court order)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12281138">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12281138" class="dsq-comment-message">Well Green Dreams you continue to scapegoat my very simple questions and refuse to answer the points. It is your right to just act like facts you don\'t agree with don\'t exist however I don\'t consider that to be a very reputable stance.<br><br>I\'m sorry that Honduras\'s interpretation of their constitution conflicts with your "world view" that you feel should be imposed on everyone. I did not insult you and simply re-asked a couple simple questions which you refuse to answer. I\'ll repeat the questions so you can ignore them again.<br><br>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br><br>Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12281672">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12281672" class="dsq-comment-message">"Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?"<br><br>Only GreenDreams is, haven\'t you figured that out? :)<br><br>Honduras unida siempre, luchemos juntos por nuestro pais.  That is all I have left to say.....</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12281903">GeorgeSorwell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12281903" class="dsq-comment-message">Austin Roth--<br><br>Not sure if you noticed it, but somewhere up there in this very thread, the commenter called Tegucigalpa is defending this <i>whatever you want to call it</i> against a leftist on the basis of "the will of the people".</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12282148">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12282148" class="dsq-comment-message">Tegucigalpa 0 minutes ago <br>"Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?"<br><br>Only GreenDreams is, haven\'t you figured that out? :)<br>=========================<br>Lol that\'s the impression that I"m getting.<br><br>Just so you and any Hondurans know many americans strongly disagree with our government\'s stance is on this once more and more facts become available. Many people simply parrot what the biased media is saying but many of us also have figured out you have to dig and dig to find the real answers.<br><br>Good luck I hope Honduras continues to hold its ground since it appears to me that there is a world agenda here and Honduras is trying to defend its republic. Americans are doing the same right now unfortunately. Good luck!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12282153">GeorgeSorwell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12282153" class="dsq-comment-message">D.E.Rodriguez--<br><br>As the guy who cited the Wikipedia, thanks for your "admiration".</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12282457">Cryos</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12282457" class="dsq-comment-message">George Sorwell I extend the invitation to answer either of my questions. It appears there is a grey area regarding removal of a president in Honduras\'s constitution. Since you seem to have a strong stance regarding legalities the following questions should be answerable.<br><br>If there is not an official documented process for removing Zelaya but it is shown he violated constitution clauses what should Honduras do?.<br><br>Another related question GreenDreams. If the Supreme Court, AG, legislature and Supreme Elections Tribunal are not qualified to determine what is constitutional who is qualified?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12282669">D. E.Rodriguez</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12282669" class="dsq-comment-message">George:<br><br>Although I wasn\'t even aware that you specifically used Wikipedia, you are welcome.<br><br>As I said, I have done so myself.<br><br>I was just an observation</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12282772">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12282772" class="dsq-comment-message">GS -<br><br>I am not sure what to call it. It appears to me to be a typical example of a CALA region country that doesn\'t have a true, long-term history of \'rule of law\' fighting over who violated their Constitution the least.<br><br>The thing I really do have trouble getting past is the unanimous Supreme Court and almost unanimous Legislative vote (only 3 dissenters??? the vast majority of his own party voting against him???). If this was the \'typical\' coup, I would have expected the courts and legilative branches to be dissolved, or at a minimum his entire party (or vast majority) demanding his reinstatement.<br><br>That isn\'t happening, though. They themselves are almost to a man defending what was done as necessary, lawful, and constitutional under THEIR Constitution. <br><br>Overall, that makes me think that what they did was a lawful action by the Government of Honduras as a whole, whether I agree with it or not (and I do not know enough about Honduran politics to know that answer, frankly), and whether it would have been lawful under OUR Constitution.<br><br>It doesn\'t seem there are too many people in Honduras that want him to stay President.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12283083">EEllis</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12283083" class="dsq-comment-message">There is also another constitutional question, or maybe even several. <br><br>There are references to impeachment in the constitution so an argument can be made that there should of been a more formal process. But even if he was shipped out the votes showed conclusively that the "impeachment" was overwhelming. why should that "impeachment"(as good a term as any if not quite exact) be overturned because Zelaya wasn\'t in a jail cell in Honduras? That really is a big issue because there really seems no doubt that the only way Zelaya would be in power now would be thru extra legal means.<br><br><br>In addition the Honduran Constitution article against attempting, advocating, ect, ect, a second presidential term may very well make impeachment a moot point if he violated that article. (That the legislature was meeting to discuss impeachment does not mean that they had to impeach him if he violated that article or even that that violation was the reason for the prospective impeachment. There were many and massive reasons for conflict with the legislature and they may well have wanted to proceed even without that constitution basis.) Without having such a device in our constitution it seems strange but there seems to be argument that the language could eliminate the need for impeachment. That for other reasons the legislature could impeach the Pres, but if the Supreme Court found that there was a violation of that article of the constitution then that finding automatically strips the Pres of office. <br><br>Now we have heard that the final ballot of the "survey" the Zelaya was giving (please read massive sarcasm into the word survey) had nothing of term limits and him serving another term as Pres. This of course pays no attention to the other versions of the ballot that he put forth, his previously stated intentions, and his steadfast refusal to pay any attention to the laws of Honduras which did not give him the authority to "survey", that made it illegal to conduct his(or any) "survey\' so close to an election, and the court orders preventing his actions. It is common sense that the Supreme Court would look at the issue in it\'s totality when making a decision and hard to ignore it without incredible condescension. As is those "people" are not qualified to make those type of decisions for themselves. They must be guided by those who know better.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12291298">GeorgeSorwell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12291298" class="dsq-comment-message">Austin Roth--<br><br>I hear what you\'re saying. You may be right. And I\'m not trying to defend Zelaya. <br><br>But the legality of the action doesn\'t seem completely obvious. Even though the extremity of the action does seem obvious.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12293447">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12293447" class="dsq-comment-message">GD - what is it about this Honduras situation that has you spending so much time on it? I certainly haven\'t seen anywhere near as much effort from you on Iran, or anything (not even torture!)<br><br>You seem to want to become an overnight Honduras Constitutional expert, and to try and prove every branch of the Honduras government, and Zelaya\'s own party (except 3 people), were wrong in what they did.<br><br>I still say it goes back to the the fact that you cannot tolerate a Leftist being removed from power by the very government you now seem hell-bent on proving is illegitimate. Seems you want to overthrow the will of the entire government of Honduras because, well, what they did, believing themselves to be acting fully within the law, makes you unhappy.<br><br>Oh yeah, and because you now know Honduras Constitutional law better than any man or woman alive, Honduran or otherwise, Honduran Supreme Court member or otherwise, Honduran Congressman or otherwise.<br><br>In fact, from the sounds of it, the only person on the face of the earth remotely qualified to run that country is now...YOU! <br><br>At least in your somewhat overinflated opinion of yourself on this topic</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12298580">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12298580" class="dsq-comment-message">So, in your world Steve, pointing out the obsessive nature of someone on an issue is a \'blatant attack\'? Using sarcasm on someone who is presenting his opinions as \'facts\', and facts that disprove the combined opinions of all branches of the Honduran government is somehow untoward?<br><br>My, what thin skin you have for GD. You also seem to think he needs your protection. I have not found GD needing others to speak on his behalf, myself.<br><br>Go back to stroking your putter. You are better at that.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12299872">Leonidas</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12299872" class="dsq-comment-message">Laying aside Consitutional arguments a minute lets review some undeniable facts:<br><br>Zelaya tried to hold a "consultation" (legally binding) for a November 2009 referendum on changes to the Honduran Constitution<br><br>Honduras\' Supreme Court, attorney general, top electoral body, and human-rights ombudsman all ruled that the 28 June plebescite would be illegal.<br><br>Zelaya went ahead with it anyhow, had ballots printed in Venezuela, and announced that the vote would take place June 28,<br>  <br>Honduran Attorney General Luis Alberto Rubi took the case to court. The Honduran Supreme Court ruled the referendum to be illegal and ordered the ballots to be confiscated.<br><br>Zelaya ordered the Chief of the Army Romeo Vásquez Velásquez to distribute ballots per the military\'s role of assisting the Government of Honduras in conducting elections.<br><br>Vásquez refused to distribute the ballots after seeking legal opinions.<br><br>Zelaya fired him on 24 June 2009, the same day Minister of Defense, Edmundo Orellana resigned.<br><br>Zelaya and a group of supporters stormed an airforce base and seized the ballots and issue another executive decree, which directed government officials to set up 15,000 polling stations at schools and community buildings across the country.<br><br>In an attempt to counter the Supreme Court\'s argument that the proposed consultation was illegal, Zelaya reclassified the legally binding "consultation" as a non-legally binding "public opinion poll."   <br><br>In response to a request from Attorney General Rubi, the Honduran Congress controlled by Zelaya\'s own party, opened an investigation into the president\'s mental stability and fitness to govern.<br><br>The Supreme Court ruled the dismissal illegal and reinstated Vásquez on 25 June 2009.<br><br>A detention order, signed 26 June by a Supreme Court judge, ordered the armed forces to detain the president<br><br>The military removed Zelaya from his home early on the morning of 28 June, before the polls open for his plebiscite and sent him into exile in Costa Rica<br><br>The Honduran Congress affirmed Zelaya\'s departure (125-3) and, in accord with the constitution, named Roberto Micheletti, who had been president of the Congress, as interim president of the country.<br><br>Chavez, Ortega, Castro and Bolivia\'s Evo Morales immediately condemned the "coup"  demanding Zelaya be restored to power.<br><br>Chavez  threatened military action<br><br>--------------------<br><br>Now given that course of events, who in their right mind would endorse putting  Zelaya back in power?  He disobeyed the Supreme Court, was kicked out by the Congress which his own party controlled and which all but 3 members voted in favor of the Supreme Courts removal of him, He stormed army bases with supporters taking away what the legal system had ordered to be held by the military, he tries to fire anyone disagreeing with him, the attorney general called for and the Congress was investigating his mental health, <br><br>That anyone would suggest this other than Chavez and his ilk is just mind boggling.<br><br>BTW more on that Congressional investigation:<br><br>Members of Congressional commission in charge of investigating Zelaya\'s actions have reportedly said that because the commission has concluded that Zelaya has broken the law, it would recommend to the entire Congress that Zelaya be removed from office.  This was before his arrest.  <br><br><a href="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/27/internacional/1246060402.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/27/intern...</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12300170" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12300170">keelaay</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12300170" class="dsq-comment-message">Interesting debate exhibiting, imho, that this issue should be left for the Hondurans to resolve.  Either way, they will have to live with the consequences.  <br><br>I especially enjoyed the Obama analogy.  I thought of a very similar analogy last night, but mine was premised on Bush 43 refusing to leave office and ordering a referendum for a third term.  Although my analogy becomes pretty far fetched when the Roberts Supreme Court rules against W, I still found the story more rousing with W as the villain bucking our presidential term limits .  (The analogy gets  truly scary when the Hon. John Roberts installs Dick Cheney as President!)<br><br>Gotta chuckle however at M.V. bloggers posing as Honduran constitutional scholars.  "The Honduran constitution is really long (more than 300 pages, oh my!!) and it\'s in a really difficult foreign language called "spanish", so instead of actually spending an evening reading and studying it myself, I read a blog (less than a page long!) by a guy who isn\'t a Honduran constitutional lawyer or anything (nor is he even Honduran for that matter), but he says he has read the Honduran constitution, and he says..."    ...............  What a hoot!!  ;)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12300918" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12300918">kathykattenburg</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12300918" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>After all, we just celebrated our own country\'s decision to use military power to overthrow what was considered an illegitimate government.</i><br><br>Oh, Christine, you sly fox, you! I know you\'re just trying to make sure we\'re all awake and paying attention, right? Of <b>course</b> you know the answer to your statement -- it\'s too obvious for you not to know -- but you want to see if we know it, too. Right?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12308195" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12308195">CStanley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12308195" class="dsq-comment-message">Uh, sorry, Kathy, but you\'re too clever by half- I have no idea what you mean by an \'answer\' to my statement (if it was meant to inspire an answer it would have had to have been a question instead of a statement, no?)<br><br>Perhaps you should just take my statement at face value- a reminder that none of us (I presume, at least) would say that there are no circumstances that would justify military intervention to overthrow an illegitimate government, or an elected government which is seen as illegally grabbing power beyond the mandate of the election. I think I was pretty clear also in stating that I don\'t know if that justification exists in the present case of Honduras or not, since unlike others here I don\'t feel that reliance on selective translations of portions of the Honduran Constitution would enable me to make that judgement.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12308373" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12308373" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12308373">CStanley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12308373" class="dsq-comment-message">GD- I apologize, as I\'d misread your previous statement to have said "suffering four more years" instead of "four more months" of Zelaya\'s rule.<br><br>Still though, I think you underestimate that if he truly was rhetorically threatening an illegal referendum which would have extended his term or permitted his running for another term, and ignoring court rulings against that, then even if he found a clever way (or perhaps, I\'d conjecture, Chavez found a clever way) to look innocent by changing the format to one that would not have been illegal- then the legislative and judicial branches and the military may have overreacted but not without some reason for their belief that he had to be stopped quickly.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12309382" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12309382" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12309382">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12309382" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12309382" class="dsq-comment-message">Another point about this \'debate\' is that it is clearly spelling out the tendency for the Left to ignore the law when it does not provide the results it wants, or to claim the laws must be illegitimate because it \'feels wrong to them\'. Failing that, they will then claim the law says the exact opposite of what it actually does.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12310983" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12310983" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12310983">CStanley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12310983" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12310983" class="dsq-comment-message">What comments here would support that statement, George? I brought up the fact that most people (I believe) would admit that there are some circumstances that would justify that but I don\'t believe we in the US currently know enough to know if that\'s the case in this situation.<br><br>It seems to me that there\'s a lot more support for reinstatement of Zelaya being expressed by liberal commenters here than there is by conservative Americans saying that we should support his ousting. The few who are speaking out pretty forcefully for that are Honduran natives, not American conservatives.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12311428" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12311428" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12311428">GeorgeSorwell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12311428" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12311428" class="dsq-comment-message">CStanley--<br><br>My comment was addressed to Austin Roth, and contained an obvious, blocked quote, which was from Austin Roth.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-12312842">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12312842" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12312842" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12312842">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12312842" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12312842" class="dsq-comment-message">GS - <br><br>Except for the \'inconvenient truth\' that it was not a military overthrow, unless your definition extends to the Honduras Supreme Court issuing a legal arrest warrant, the Military (as per the Honduras Constitution) executing said warrant, and the Honduras Congress, of which the deposed of President\'s party had a majority, voting 123-3 to support the removal of Zelaya, and replacing him with the next civilian in line for succession as per that same inconvenient Constitution.<br><br>The only error that occurred was the Military\'s, which has admitted in hindsight they should have taken him to jail rather than removed him from the country.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12314089" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12314089">GeorgeSorwell</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12314089" class="dsq-comment-message">Austin Roth--<br><br>In case you haven\'t read the rest of this thread, there is some controversy about just how legal/illegal this action was. <br><br>You don\'t have possession of the high moral ground. <br><br>Even you admit that mistakes were made. <br><br>If you want to claim <i>the right</i> is just correct and <i>the left</i> is just wrong, go ahead. But because the rule of law was not obeyed, you\'re open to the utterly obvious parallel criticism. <br><br>Utterly obvious.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12316822" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12316822" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12316822">AustinRoth</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12316822" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12316822" class="dsq-comment-message">GS -<br><br>Um, sorry, a mistake in whether he should have been sent to jail or removed from the country does not invalidate all the previous actions of their Supreme Court and Congress, as much as you might want it to. It was an \'after the fact\' error.<br><br>And it is not \'my\' high ground - it is the position of both their Supreme Court and Congress. It is you, GD, and others on the Left that want to usurp their decisions, not the Right.<br><br>Let\'s see what true lawyers and lawblogs think, along with some actual Hondurans, shall we?<br><br><a href="http://zerosheep.com/2009/07/01/no-coup-in-honduras" rel="nofollow">http://zerosheep.com/2009/07/01/no-coup-in-hond...</a><br><a href="http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_05-2009_07_11.shtml#1247020907" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_05-2...</a><br><a href="http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/presidents-chvez-obama-et-al-are/" rel="nofollow">http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/preside...</a><br><a href="http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2009/07/honduras-high-court-rejects-oas-call-to.php" rel="nofollow">http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2009/07/h...</a><br><a href="http://hondurascrisis.org/a-letter-to-the-international-community/" rel="nofollow">http://hondurascrisis.org/a-letter-to-the-inter...</a><br><a href="http://www.tipte.com/2009/07/javier-corrales-is-the-oas-against-democracy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tipte.com/2009/07/javier-corrales-is...</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12320438" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12320438" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12320438">AustinRoth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12320438" class="dsq-comment-message">:)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12323921" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12323921" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12323921">EEllis</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12323921" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12323921" class="dsq-comment-message">Another thought for those that are so certain Zelaya should be allowed to return to Honduras. What is the most likely outcome? Every aspect of Govt is against this man and his actions and have taken action against him. Do you think he will quietly serve out his 4 months?<br><br>Personal I can\'t think of anything more likely to destroy democracy in Honduras than returning Zelaya to power. He already proved he will not respect the law or the constitution.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-12325072">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-12325072" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-12325072" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-12325072">Tegucigalpa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-12325072" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-12325072" class="dsq-comment-message">haha @GreenDreams<br><br>He said that Zelaya\'s wife was beaten and his family is in trouble, haha.  This proves once again that GD knows nothing about what is going on.  He is trying to seem informed on the sitution more than the others on here.  You know, because he has a bunch of friends there.  Her beating was never reported in Honduras and she looks fine leading the rally in the below noted story.  Haha.  And there was no tear gas!  It is not a police state.  One more thing you are wrong about.  Would you like to make any other false statements?<br><br>(since you can\'t read Spanish, the picture at the top of the article is la esposa de depuesto presidente Zelaya)<br><br><a href="http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=17176" rel="nofollow">http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=17176</a><br><br>I think it is time for everyone to not worry for a little bit.  Presidente costarricense Oscar Arias will be a good mediator.  Now that there is a way to tell both sides, things will get done and Zelaya will not be shown as a victim all the time.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-13758652" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-13758652" href="http://twitter.com/mozartme" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">claudia monica </a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-13758652" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-13758652" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama learn dignity  from Honduras\'s people!!!!!</div>\
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				target.parentNode.className == 'dsq-input-wrapper') {
				var postId = Dsq.Utils.extractId(target);
				Dsq.Templates.postComment(postId, this, false);
			}
		}
	});
}

})();




