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Fiscal policy controls the money flow, and my impression is that even staunch conservatives are in favor of central control of that. Economic policy interacts with fiscal policy, but it is not the same. Tax policy controls the govenmental revenue flow, but allow me to ignore that aspect for the time being for the sake of simplicity.<br><br>Staunch conservatives desire the market to be totally free and unfettered. And up until very recently, it wouldn't have been hard to find a staunch conservative that would have argued that case in its extreme. Staunch liberals, it seems to me, are less of one mind about it. Clearly, liberals generally prefer greater control over the markets, but you'd have to look very far to the left indeed to find one who advocated anything close to total central control. <br><br>The fact is, though, we are nowhere close to either extreme. The current credit meltdown is a major kick in the head to the staunch conservative bunch, though. And if it's not recognized as such it should be. There have been other knocks in the recent past (e.g., salmonella in our veggies, mad cow disease in our meat, lead in our kids' toys, melamine in our chocolate, toxic chemicals in our groundwater, etc.), but if the credit meltdown doesn't make it clear that there are major externalities that the market can't easily deal with, nothing will. Apart from trying to attribute blame, or trying to decipher what approach would have been better, the fact is the argument from all sides is that the laws in place were inadequate to the task. That begs the question: what would have happened if there were no laws at all? I shudder to think.<br><br>There is a difference between classical Keynesian economic philosophy (which did not distinguish between money supply and economic issues) and neo-Keynesian economic philosophy (which does). The Reagan administration was a good example of the supply side economic philosophy in action with a considerable amount of deficit spending in other areas. That didn't happen in isolation either. He (and Volker) also tightened the money supply. Likewise, his Star Wars concept was a federal R&D project that has cost many billions of dollars. It's hard to say exactly how much because much of it is cloaked. But that represents an economic stimulus package. The Clinton administration was an example of neo-Keynesian philosophy in action more than Reagan. Clinton emphasized R&D and technology transfer, both in information technology and biomedical technology. And that, I think, is something that needs to be done in the present case, with an emphasis on energy. Nonetheless, Clinton largely kept in place the same monetary policies as Reagan, but changed the tax policy. The bottom line is, fiscal policy, tax policy, and economic policy are not the same. They are related, but not the same. <br><br>IMO, the wheels came off in the Bush43 administration. He managed to combine the worst of everything. But I think I'll reserve that discussion for another time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:16:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ricorun", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2961793": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great point Jim. The military industrial complex Eisenhower warned against is in full bloom and it ain't pretty. This is one of the greatest transfers of public wealth to private hands ever, and while I believe in a strong national defense, the abuses and lack of oversight in this area have been legion. All those fools at the McCain/Palin rallys who are chanting \"socialism\" (along with \"terrorist\" and \"kill him\") probably don't have the first clue about the ways in which socialism functions in this country (albeit under other names), or the ways in which  it can be a force for good - or for bad. But why would they? They're too wrapped up in the politics of demonization and division to actually learn anything.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-09_09:13:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "JSpencer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945026": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>The same way Bush paid for his.</i><br><br>And you're OK with raising the deficit that much further? (notwithstanding that McCain will also end up raising it, but I think he's much more of a spending hawk and I argue that that's incredibly important right now.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_15:27:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942856": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "SD...\"the other thing is that the liberal/conservative paradigm is only used for whites.\"<br><br>Do you think so?  The Republicans are more than happy to describe any Democrat as liberal.<br><br>Perhaps you are thinking of the MSM, SD?  Almost all Republicans are right-wing or far-right or ultra-conservative . . . I have never read of any Democrat being labelled a \"liberal\" Democrat, black or white, in media reporting.  Of course, perhaps there are no liberal Democrats anymore?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:12:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "Marlowecan", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945804": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>And you're OK with raising the deficit that much further?</blockquote><br>We don't have any choice. The time to save for tough times was before we actually got into one of those tough times. <br><br>Now the trick is expanding the economy, and the only way to really do that in a credit crunch where businesses can't raise capital is through increased government spending. After all, the government can still get decent loans even if you or I can't.<br><br>****<br>Great post GreenDreams, if you lived in the triangle area, I'd buy you a beer, even though you can totally afford it :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:09:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946062": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "CStanley: <i>BTW, here's a good primer on regulation pros and cons- and I don't think you'd call this blog a neocon hangout. :-)</i><br><br>I don't think you'd call it a link, either :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:25:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ricorun", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2948879": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GD, I find myself in the position of defending CS, at least insofar as what you said. At least I think so. I think that what you said about \"Reaganomics\" is true, but his economic policy was only part of the story. Moreover, I think your statement that Reaganomics was characterized by privatization, deregulation and deep cuts in social spending is only two-thirds true. Certainly Reagan championed privatization and deregulation -- arguably at a time when they needed such adjustments -- but deep cuts in social spending? Hardly. Considerable increases in social spending, albeit with reorganization, is a better characterization of the facts. Nonetheless, a case could be made that said reorganization was reasonably considered at the time. Whatever cuts Reagan made in other programs, he piled the money (and more) into defense spending. The intention was to make it clear to the USSR that they couldn't keep up. He was right, and the USSR crumbled. In the process all kinds of markets, particularly in Eastern Europe, opened up. It was, in effect, a Marshall plan, although very few thought of it as that because it wasn't structured anywhere close to the same. But it was a <i>really smart thing to do</i>, IMO, it rates right up there with (and even surpasses) Nixon's decision to develop relations with China.<br><br>But that was then and this is now. And that's really important. The differences between the two are nothing short of tectonic on so many levels. There is no comparison between the times then and the times now. And any attempt to equate the two on any sort of one-to-one level is a fool's errand. If I were only allowed a five second sound-bite on the topic I would say that that's what worries me the most about McCain. IMO, he has an obvious tendency to consider foreign relations in the past tense, not the future -- or even the present tense.<br><br>And it's not just foreign relations. GD, you provided a YouTube link to times which documented GW Bush bragging about the strides his administration made in securing minority home ownership. Now we're supposed to ignore that, as well as McCain's repeated proclamations that \"the fundamentals of our economy are strong\", and concentrate on whatever bail-out plan is du jeur. Later McCain said he meant by \"the fundamentals of our economy\" is the workers -- and oh, by the way, the economy is in crisis, so he has to suspend his campaign to deal with it. Which he didn't. Unfortunately, he has yet to even mention \"the middle class\" hardly ever. Certainly not in two debates now, and <i>has yet to mention anything at all</i> about the energy situation except \"drill, baby, drill\" and nuclear energy -- except to say that his energy plan includes \"all of the above\". What a crock.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_19:43:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ricorun", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2972248": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Since I live in a grungy neighborhood in Los Angeles, I get sick and tired of coping with the homeless. According to an article in LA City Beat, it costs somewhere between $ 10,000 to $ 25,000 to rehabilitate a homeless person. That's a lot of money, but it's far cheaper than the current system of jails, police sweeps and emergency wards that we engage in now.<br>    It costs money to send a boy from the 'hood to a UC on a full paid scholarship, but it's a lot cheaper than sending him to jail for 4 years. It's expensive to provide psychological treatment to victims of child abuse and to fix up our dysfunctional system of foster care, but that's cheaper than putting someone a way for life in a penitentiary. (Most violent criminals were abused as children.)<br>    It costs money to fix a bridge, but it's far cheaper to fix a bridge than to rebuild it. Universal health care seems expensive, but it's a lot cheaper than our current dysfunctional system of private health care. (Check the WHO statistics.) It costs money to re-tool our economy into a green tech economy, but that's a lot cheaper than the costs of global warming.<br>    The whole concept of liberal and conservative is out of date. Conservatives promises tax cuts now, but they are merely passing the bill to the next generation where the costs will be much higher. Liberals are the only true fiscal conservatives", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-09_20:07:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "mwalimu", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2947858": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I was never one of those who winced about the manufactured identity. Most folks who went to school and learned a bit about government and history have had some exposure to the rich legacy liberals have in this country, whether  talking about civil rights, protections against unfair labor standards, womens rights, environmentalism, education, or trying to stop idiotic and unnecessary wars. Of course those who received their education about liberals at the hands of people like Rush Limbaugh will see things differently, which is in itself a lesson about the value of learning how to think for ones self.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_18:20:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "JSpencer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943251": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The better question is why isn't \"conservative\" a pejorative <a href=\"http://www.gallup.com/poll/110983/Americans-Satisfaction-AllTime-Low.aspx\" rel=\"nofollow\">at this point</a>?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:36:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2944022": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>And I don't see how Obama plans to continue all of his spending plans without raising more than just that bracket anyway- that'll be just the first of many steps.</blockquote><br><br>The same way Bush paid for his. I almost think you want Obama to raise taxes to confirm your view of Democrats vs. Republicans :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_14:22:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943513": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Marlow,<br>The economy is one of those few areas where I think a truly centrist tack is probably the right one. <br><br>Unbridled conservatism ends with sweat shops and spoiled planet. Unbridled liberalism leads to the destruction of the profit motive for small business, which is still the most important part of the economy.<br><br>Unfortunately, both Democrats and Republicans don't really subscribe to either o doctrine. For over a hundred years government and business interests have slowly combined in such a way that they are hardly distinguishable.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:51:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2947100": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "CStanley: <i>I mostly do agree with your final paragraph, but one of the problems that I think you miss (and it's a big one) is when it's not externalities aside from govt, but govt intervention itself that screws with the market's ability to self correct (ie, govt intervention into the mortgage method, <b>which was in some senses a deregulatory intervention and in another sense it was the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective</b>, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults.)</i><br><br>First of all, the part of your comment I bolded makes no sense. Second, no one forced banks to make highly risky loans. That being said, however, one could argue that (a) the laws in place at least implied that taxpayers would be on the hook in case of defaults; (b) that the laws in place were intentioned to promote minority involvement in homeownership; (c) that subsequent barriers to affirmative action made the intentions in (b) difficult, if not impossible when the legislative, executive, and judicial climates shifted; (d) once (c) happened the field became open to speculators of all species and; (e) once (d) happened the situation became truly toxic.<br><br>That's a simple thumbnail sketch. There is certainly much more to it. But I think it captures the fundamentals as well as capturing why, once the governmental winds shift, cascading absurdities can develop which can take some time to stabilize. The trouble is, in the mean time things can go very, very wrong. On the other hand, I think it could be said that one administration doesn't normally challenge so many aspects of the status quo on so many different levels as has the Bush43 administration. Because he has, we are in uncharted territory. IMO, that in itself is unprecedented, and hard to keep up with -- and it doesn't augur well for our future. But as I study it more, the more I think a change of parties in the executive branch is essential. I say that partly as a recent partisan, but also as a realist. IMO, there is no other alternative that could come close to a guarantee that things will fundamentally change at the level that most needs changing. That's not to say such a change is sufficient, but I believe it is necessary. Generally speaking, I'm a big fan of divided government. But in the present case, I truly believe it would make more sense to make a change in the executive branch (I have no faith McCain will clean house in that regard), and if he (Obama) overreaches, hope for the best in 2010 as far as the legislative branch is concerned.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_17:36:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ricorun", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943645": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "SD, that's an interesting explanation, but it's cherry picking. The meaning of liberal in the popular lexicon didn't start morphing until people like Rush, Newt, et al started the push to pejorative.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:59:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "JSpencer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2965189": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Looks like this thread is still alive. I had to sleep. If others are still following this, I'll dive back in.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-09_12:56:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942499": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Liberal in not a dirty word because liberals started calling themselves progressives and gave up many of the dumbest ideas such as gauaranted income, forced busing, soft on crime, and punish private business.  Liberals became a dirty word in the late 1970's when the misery index was the highest.  <br><br>Now that liberals are given up on guns, busing in most cases, and going easy on criminals, the Democrats have a huge majority.   <br><br>the other thing is that the liberal/conservative paradigm is only used for whites. When was the last tiem that you heard the CBC describe as liberal even though they are probably the most liberal group in Congress.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_12:53:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "superdestroyer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943652": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>And because protectionism and taxing the 'wealthy' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?</b><br><br>People keep presenting this line as if it's concrete fact, yet I've never seen or heard anyone actually prove it or defend it with verifiable examples.  I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just skeptical.  especially when you consider that the trickle-down style of economics did more harm than good to the middle class.<br><br>It seems illogical to assume that shifting some of the tax burden off of the middle class and onto the wealthy results in an economic slow-down.  Middle-class people are the biggest consumers.  If they have a little extra money to spend, they will.  And that means more jobs for the people who design, manufacture, market, sell, and maintain whatever it is the middle class people are buying.  And that in turn means the CEO's of the large companies and the owners of the small businesses are all producing and selling more, and making more money.  The wealthier people may not have quite as large a slice of the pie proportionally speaking, but they aren't starving for income either.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:59:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Amanda", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943272": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Chris WWW said:  \"I don't think the majority of Dems are what we used to consider liberal. The entire party has moved to the right of Richard Nixon.\"<br><br>You may be right, Chris, with the DLC and all.<br><br>But are times changing?  The economic crisis seems to call for a renewed Keynesian intervention in the market . . . a la liberals of old.<br><br>And the recent rakings over the coals of the Lehman Bros. CEO and AIG executives by Waxman et al.  seemed a refreshing breath of liberalism.  <br><br>I am conservative, of course, but liberalism represents a viable corrective to market excesses.  FDR saved capitalism from itself, after all.   And if more people bothered to read \"Wealth of Nations\" they would find Adam Smith noting repeatedly sectors in which the market is inadequate and the state must intevene.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:37:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Marlowecan", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946345": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "CStanley, I wasn't suggesting FICA should be used or was designed for wealth redistribution. It's just one fairly glaring inequity in gross pay vs net pay for most Americans. <br><br>Military deterrence. We still have more than enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. We don't need a single additional nuclear weapon. Ever. (except replacing one occasionally I suppose). Our high tech weaponry was next to useless in Afghanistan. We needed more troops, but mainly more FOCUS. Military spending won't give us that. As for Iraq, it was a dumb self-inflicted wound. We should have left Saddam to keep radical Islam at bay in Iraq and worked as we have elsewhere to empower resistance and envy for our healthy economy (which it was then) and democracy. Saddam was no threat to us and I do hope you see the debacle we have created both in Iraq and at home with that misadventure.<br><br>As for \"neocon\" economic thinking, I don't know what else to call it, so let's call it \"Reaganomics\". It certainly isn't conservative as I learned it. That was about being responsible about money, which we clearly are not.<br><br>I raise fear not as a strawman, but as the appeal that the GOP has used to frighten people into voting against their own best interests. If you are not voting based on that fear, then you drank the Kool Aid and believe what has been proven false about Reaganomics. You could rightly call it a bankrupt policy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:43:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943796": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Amanda, the problem is that no one 'shift' works the same way in a bad economy that it does in a good one (or even in a 'really bad' one vs. a kinda bad one.) I think what most people miss on economic understanding is that it's the changes and direction of change that matters more than the absolute values of what the tax brackets and such are.<br><br>Fundamentally, doesn't it make sense that when economic activity is grinding to a halt that we need to work on helping businesses to thrive? I'm in a medical field so the analogy that makes sense to me is that finance is the circulatory system- and if a patient's circulatory system is collapsing you can't save the kidneys unless you can get the blood pressure and flow going again.<br><br>Trickle down doesn't always work because the knee jerk supporters of it often recommend it when it isn't the right time. But logically it doesn't follow that an instance of failure of that kind of economic plan in one economic climate means that the same economic plan isn't the right thing to do in a completely different economic environment. Again to use medical analogy, one medicine may be completely contraindicated for a certain illness or condition but could be lifesaving for another.<br><br>I'm sort of with Chris in that the totally ideological positions (total free market or socialist) don't make any sense- but I'll also add that the pragmatists who figure out the right mix have to also be able to analyze what conditions dictate which policies.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_14:08:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2948278": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh, CS, I can certainly articulate what doesn't work about Reaganomics. Laissez-faire economic policy is characterized by three pillars: privatization, deregulation and deep cuts in social spending. The results are characterized by increasing wealth gap, the transfer of public wealth to private hands and the transfer of private debt to the public. That is exactly what has happened in the US. <br><br>Reaganomics didn't increase tax revenue. It borrowed huge amounts from future generations and gave it to the wealthy, who then paid taxes on it, giving back a small % of the public wealth given to them. Giving our kids' money to middle income taxpayers would have increased it still more, because as a % of income they pay more, and because they are more likely to spend it.<br><br>As for \"the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults,\" have a listen to GW Bush praising the deregulation that allowed this. <br><br>He said it was \"to help deserving families with bad credit qualify for a home loan. You don't have to have a lousy home. First time home buyers, low income home buyers, can have just as nice a home as anybody else.\"<br><br><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_18:55:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943159": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jspencer, <br><br>Liberal became an insult when a liberal federal judge in Boston order forced bussing while Judge's own children were attending all white private schools.  Liberal became an insult when it came to define a lack of leadership.  Liberals in the 1970's were great at asking others to make sacrafices that they did not ask of themselves.  They called the middle class racist while their own lives were white only, they called for people to endure high crime and fear  while living in protected areas, they called for others to pay higher taxes and lower their standard of living without lowering their own.  Remember the term Limosine liberal to describe NYC, DC, and LA. <br><br>Now that people have forgotten 70% tax brackets, high crime, and forced busiing, the left feels free to use the term again.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:30:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "superdestroyer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946036": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Those are very good points, Rico, although I disagree with some of the opinons you draw on how far we are (or have been) to one extreme or the other and who is advocating what.<br><br>I mostly do agree with your final paragraph, but one of the problems that I think you miss (and it's a big one) is when it's not externalities aside from govt, but govt intervention itself that screws with the market's ability to self correct (ie, govt intervention into the mortgage method, which was in some senses a deregulatory intervention and in another sense it was the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:24:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945851": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh, and other than being a boogeyman epithet, why did you use the word \"neocon\" to describe conservative economic philosophy? I'm not even aware if there is a neocon economic policy, since neoconservatism generally refers to a foreign policy theory. I guess what you are referring to is actually paleoconservatism (and many paleoconservatives hate the neocons and feel they hijacked the Republican party anyway) but even paleoconservatism isn't necessarily completely libertarian or free market.<br><br>BTW, <a href \"http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f908-4ddd-4397-9ad8-f4ec057e4212\" rel=\"nofollow\">here's a good primer on regulation pros and cons- and I don't think you'd call this blog a neocon hangout. :-)</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:12:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2949061": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is a great thread!  I'm sorry I've been offline all day and missed so much of this... so I'll just have to jump right in.<br><br>:&gt;<br><br>GreenDreams, your last comment included this:  <em>\"the transfer of public wealth to private hands\"</em><br><br>Can you define public wealth for me?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_19:59:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "Polimom", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943943": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "* It thought we both agreed that social spending, done right, would help alleviate the pains of a recession? <br>Details matter- I would support certain things but not others and in my comment here I was addressing entitlement spending which has to somehow be brought under control instead of being broadened even more.<br><br>* Why is the military budget such a sacred cow? Our immense budget hasn't solved the problems in Afghanistan and it created bigger problems in Iraq. Our biggest potential military rivals, Russia and China, are decades behind us in technology, and as long as we rely on them for oil and loans, they'll be able to do far more damage to us without firing a bullet.<br><br>The military was cut sharply in the 90s and we're still building it back. EU likes to thumb their nose at us but still count on us for most military protection- we should work to change that but for now we're stuck footing the bill. We do need to cut the waste and fraud, but not cut the overall spending (just use it wisely so that we're not spread too thin as we are now.)<br><br>* I haven't seen a Democrat of any importance ask for \"protectionism\" of any sort. <br>Huh?? NAFTA and other trade agreements aren't being opposed? (well, I guess it is hard to tell what Obama's real position is.) We don't constantly hear about protecting American jobs (I'm not opposed to that idea, of course, just the thought process behind the way Dems propose to do that.)<br><br>* Taxing $250,000+'aires at a higher rate won't kill the economy. Unless you honestly think these folks will stop working out of disgust at the lost of a few percent of their income?<br>I don't know what the line is, but there most certainly is one. And I don't see how Obama plans to continue all of his spending plans without raising more than just that bracket anyway- that'll be just the first of many steps.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_14:17:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945097": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I meant to add earlier too, that income tax is just part of the picture. Obama has already backed off of his initial plan to raise capital gains all the way to 28% and I think he's now proposing 20%. Either move is incredibly foolish in a stagnated economy. Both candidates will need to face up to the fact that revenue from capital gains is going to be sharply declined no matter what, and making a move to lower it will at least spur some increased selling and bring in a bit more revenue in the short term- plus that gets the trading (circulation) going again.<br><br>And, decreasing corporate tax rates (McCain's plan) certainly makes sense to make us competitive to keep companies in the US. It's obvious that within the US companies look at the tax advantages of locating in one state instead of another, and now that our economy is more global the same principle applies to our federal corporate taxation.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_15:32:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946250": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "CS says:<i>Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances?</i><br><br>Why is our Pentagon spending a sacred cow? Our defense budget is like 50% of the worlds military spending. The USSR collapsed under the burden of the arms race, why  should the USA be any different? <br><br><a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...</a><br>World Total \t1,200,000,000,000 (USD)<br>United States \t  583,283,000,000 (USD)<br>European Union Total \t311,920,000,000 (USD)<br><br>In times of record deficits and no universal health care, why are we spending on <a href=\"http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2007/July/Pages/DefenseWatch2592.aspx rel=\"nofollow\"> FCS</a>  and <a href=\"http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-stealth-d.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">stealth destroyers</a>? What enemies are we fighting, the neo-Russian empire, Iran or <a href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Terminator Salvation</a>?<br>How will the DDG-1000(stealth destroyer) and networked robots work any better than the Hummer? The Hummer is dead in favor of the MRV.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:37:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rudi", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942926": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Liberal hasn't been a dirty word since the classical liberal who was more like today's conservative than today's liberal.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:16:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ike_Skelton", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942801": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The word \"liberal\" long had positive connotations until there was a concerted effort to make it into a pejorative, an effort which only succeeded among those folks who were history challenged to begin with. In the end it helped to solidify the R base, but as we've seen, this doesn't take much. If John McCain thinks the word still carries negative weight, then he's living in the past... along with many of his supporters.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:09:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "JSpencer", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2947410": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Someone didn't like my comment?  Liberals used to be more like conservatives way back when, it was a factual statement.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_17:54:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ike_Skelton", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2956179": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>Whatever cuts Reagan made in other programs, he piled the money (and more) into defense spending. The intention was to make it clear to the USSR that they couldn't keep up. He was right, and the USSR crumbled.</blockquote><br>The USSR had already been spending a crippling share of their GDP on defense since the 1950s. Reagan didn't change our course with regards to the USSR, he merely continued the plan and was lucky enough to be there when it finally succeeded.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_23:04:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942678": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Liberalism is the politics that dare not speak its name.<br><br>Hence, as SD notes, liberals began calling themselves progressives as they were tired of being beaten up for being liberals since Reagan.<br><br>Elyas' post is a good one. . .though it would have been more accurate to say conservatives have been in charge for 28 years as opposed to 8. <br><br>Why shouldn't liberals take back the name, and wear it proudly.  Look at the great liberal icons: FDR and LBJ.  There will be a political cost, of course.  Obama has been in no hurry to take up the designation.  <br><br>But perhaps Elyas is right . . . the effectiveness of \"liberal\" as a GOP scourge may be past.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:03:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "Marlowecan", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2962391": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "In a comment above, I harped on about the stealth DDG-1000 destroyer. Sorry about the bad link, the article is relevant to the military boondoggles.<br><a href=\"http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-stealth-d.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-ste...</a><br><blockquote>Two weeks ago, the Navy canceled plans to build the rest of its hulking stealth destroyers. At first, it looked like the DDG-1000s' $5-billion-a-copy price tag was to blame. Now, it appears the real reason has slipped out: The Navy's <a href=\"\" rel=\"nofollow\"></a>most advanced warship is all but defenseless against one of its best-known threats.<br><br>We already knew that the older, cheaper, Burke-class destroyers (pictured) are better able to fight off anti-ship missiles -- widely considered the most deadly (and most obvious) hazard to the American fleet. Specifically, the old Burkes can shoot down those missiles using special SM-3 interceptors; the new DDG-1000 cannot.<br><br>But now, a leading figure in the Navy, Deputy Chief of Naval Operations (and Vice-Admiral) Barry McCullough, is saying that the DDG-1000 \"cannot perform area air defense\" at all. Never mind the SM-3; the ship isn't designed to fire any kind of long-range air-defense missile, whatsoever. It's presumably limited to the same last-ditch \"point defense\" systems (think Phalanx guns and short-range interceptors, like the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles) that cargo ships, aircraft carriers and even Coast Guard cutters carry in case a missile slips past their screening Burkes. Those point defenses can't intercept ballistic missiles at all -- and when they destroy sea-skimming missiles, the debris can still strike and severely damage the ship.<br><br>In other words, the world's most expensive surface warship can't properly defend itself or other ships from an extremely widespread threat. That, needless to say, is a problem. Not only is the DDG-1000 vulnerable to the ballistic anti-ship missiles that countries such as China are developing, it wouldn't even be particularly effective at protecting fleets against common weapons in the arsenals of everyone from Russia to Iran. And it's not like this was some kind of new threat; these missiles have been around, in one form or another, since World War II.<br><br>If that wasn't bad enough, the Navy has been saying all along that the DDG-1000 can fire at least some of Raytheon's missile-killing Standard Missiles. In other words, according to the inestimable Galrahn over at Information Dissemination, \"the Navy has been delivering a lunch bag of bullshit to Congress regarding surface combatants for three years.\"</blockquote><br>At least the plug was pulled on this farce, but what about rigged up test on the MDS? There isn't anybody today willing to question the run away spending in the Pentagon. We need a reincarnation of <a href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/national/16proxmire.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Proxmire</a>  and the \"Golden Fleece\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-09_10:02:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rudi", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942936": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"If John McCain thinks the word still carries negative weight, then he's living in the past...\"<br><br>Reflecting on Elyas post, I think this is very true.  It has been a generation since it was effective as a pejorative.<br><br>I recall the lyrics of Supertramp's \"Logical Song\" from 1979:<br><br>\"Now watch what you say<br>Or they\u00b4ll be calling you a radical<br>A liberal, oh fanatical, criminal...\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:17:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "Marlowecan", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 2942801, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943710": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances? And because protectionism and taxing the 'wealthy' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?</blockquote><br>A few points:<br>* It thought we both agreed that social spending, done right, would help alleviate the pains of a recession? <br><br>* Why is the military budget such a sacred cow? Our immense budget hasn't solved the problems in Afghanistan and it created bigger problems in Iraq. Our biggest potential military rivals, Russia and China, are decades behind us in technology, and as long as we rely on them for oil and loans, they'll be able to do far more damage to us without firing a bullet.<br><br>* I haven't seen a Democrat of any importance ask for \"protectionism\" of any sort. <br><br>* Taxing $250,000+'aires at a higher rate won't kill the economy. Unless you honestly think these folks will stop working out of disgust at the lost of a few percent of their income?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_14:03:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945766": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GD: I don't have time to parse all of that right now, but right off the bat:<br><br>FICA isn't meant to be wealth redistribution, it was NEVER meant to collect from the wealthy to give to the poor and has nothing to do with whether or not you use more of the infrastructure of the US. Even FDR didn't envision it that way- it was a retirement investment whereby each individual payed into the system during working years and was then able to receive benefits in retirement, and the funding worked as long as we had more younger people in the workforce than older folks retiring (a pyramid of demographic ages); of course the baby boom and then bust cycle have upset that cart, as has the mentality that you describe where the social security trust fund was raided for other purposes.<br><br>Second quick point is that military strength is a deterrent and it backs up our ability to provide diplomatic pressure when needed. You can dispense with the transparent attempt to dismiss that argument by calling me fearful. Should we have cut back in the 90's after the fall of USSR? Sure, probably somewhat- but not at the rate that we did. You can honestly look at all of the threats to the security of the US and our allies today and not think that's the case? You don't think that our military is currently spread too thin, even after we start drawing down in Iraq? <br><br>I'm sure you disagreed with the Iraq invasion, but if there had been a justifiable threat in your mind in addition to Afghanistan (assuming you supported that front?), how would we have dealt with it if not in the same half assed way that we had to handle Iraq? Rummy was right that we could topple Saddam with a mean and lean force, but what came afterward obviously did require more resources and troops, and many other military interventions will require a larger capability too.<br><br><i>yet I hear some people here who seem to think that if US businesses were just free of all regulation,</i> Strawman alert. Who said this? Some regulation is needed, other regulation is just stupid and harmful. I haven't seen anyone here say that we should have a completely laissez faire economy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:07:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2945553": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I still can't figure out some of the commenters here who still buy the neocon economic philosophy. Some no doubt are complicit, that is, they are among the small  fraction who once paid 70% tax on income above the stratospheric level. Most I think just buy into the trickle down hype despite 30 years evidence to the contrary.<br><br>But let's look at some of those positions. Around 0.62?% of our population are millionaires. Giving them a disproportionate break is not democratic, as it is wealth redistribution from the many in the middle to the few at the top. I'm in that 0.62%, but have never thought I get a bad break paying more in taxes. Like Warren Buffet (though far far below his fiscal strata) I am appalled that, as he put it, \"I pay a lower % than my secretary.\" Why should only the paltry first $85K of a huge income be subject to FICA that those of lesser means pay on 100% of their incomes? I use more government services than most, as I can afford to travel extensively both by air and highway, both of which are massively supported by tax dollars. There are many other areas in which I feel the American system has benefited me disproportionately (believe me, I'm not complaining). But I totally disagree with racking up 11 trillion on our kids' credit card. How unbelievably selfish. CStanley, DLS, SD? Are you that selfish? <br><br>And the \"drill baby drill\" stuff. If you think of all the oil we ever had in America as a six pack of beer, we've consumed 4 cans and opened the fifth. Before our kids are even 21 you want to open the last can? Again. How unbearably selfish.<br><br>Chris is right. Raising the rate for the rich doesn't stifle business or entrepreneurialism. Do you think no fortunes were made before Reagan? Get a grip. Most of the wealthiest families in the US got that way before the upper tax rate was lowered. You think I'd shut down my business and fire people because my personal tax rate goes up? How would that make sense? Or maybe you think aspiring millionaires would just decide to work at Wendy's instead.<br><br>Military budgets. They're obscene. CStanley bemoans the reductions in the 90s. We won the cold war. Should we not have expected that we could reduce the staggering costs of that era? Further, most of what we're spending on right now is pointless; witness Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Our high tech global reach super war machine cannot subdue a third world country. It's a huge part of our dwindling discretionary budget, and it's all borrowed from our children. You think they need nukes and ICBMs and \"star wars\" more than decent infrastructure, affordable health care and a living wage?<br><br>CStanley, you must be really afraid, to think that this kind of massive spending is justified. A terrorist could walk in today to a hospital with a handgun and steal enough radioactive material to shut down a major US city. None of our smart bombs and secret prisons will do a thing to stop that. We're lavishing money we don't have on military preparedness that fails to prepare us for the reality of today's conflict.<br><br>\"Protectionism\", like \"liberal\" has been demonized. We have to figure out whether we want to save a single American business. American companies and American workers can't compete with sweatshop practices and absence of environmental regulations, yet I hear some people here who seem to think that if US businesses were just free of all regulation, we'd be better off. That is obviously not true. Already we're in a situation in which stimulating our own economy is increasingly difficult. What can an American buy today that will keep dollars at home? Not shoes or clothes or electronics or appliances. What? We have killed our manufacturing sector because big business finds it easier and cheaper to buy from polluting foreign sweatshops. This is a race to the bottom and will not serve us well.<br><br>Wake up, America. If rich people can scare you into voting against your own interests, you're stuck there. In that hole.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_15:52:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenDreams", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946536": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "GD: You did a nice sleight of hand there though because you pointed out the inequity of higher earners paying less in FICA (their tax burden in terms of income tax bracket is much higher than that maid's would be.)<br><br>You're getting into details of military spending that attribute opinions to me that aren't accurate; I wasn't talking about maintaining military spending for more nukes; for technology I'd have a mixed opinion- but mainly I'm talking about troops. You don't increase enlistment unless you have the funding to pay them adequately, reward those who stay in as a career, and take care of the vets as they deserve. We need more special ops forces, and new and expanded types of training for the current threat of insurgent warfare instead of traditional battlefields.<br><br>And on the economics, well, forgive me for not agreeing that I'm the one who's drunk the Koolaid when you are the one who has a propagandistic dismissal of \"Reaganomics\" without even being able to address what failed and what didn't (revenues did increase with his tax policy as the economy grew, but spending increased too and that's why the deficit ballooned) and without even being able to distinguish that from neoconservatism.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:55:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943857": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also Amanda, on your comment about shifting tax burden: the top 5% of wage earners pay something like 60% of the federal income tax. How far do you think that should be shifted? Will you acknowledge that at some point you do more harm than good? And is it right to call a credit to non-income tax paying individuals a 'tax cut' as Obama does?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_14:12:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2946547": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rico: thanks for pointing out my dead link- I can't figure out what I did wrong on the html so let me try it this way:<br><br><a href=\"http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f908-4ddd-4397-9ad8-f4ec057e4212\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_16:56:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2942964": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<blockquote>Almost all Republicans are right-wing or far-right or ultra-conservative . . . I have never read of any Democrat being labelled a \"liberal\" Democrat, black or white, in media reporting.</blockquote><br>I don't notice Republicans being labelled that either to be perfectly honest. I admit that I'm not a consumer of ALL news, but I feel like I read a good deal of WaPo, NYT, the WSJ and catch a lot of MSNBC and CNN.<br><br><blockquote>Of course, perhaps there are no liberal Democrats anymore?</blockquote><br>I don't think the majority of Dems are what we used to consider liberal. The entire party has moved to the right of Richard Nixon.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:18:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "ChrisWWW", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2949929": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "When you contnue to fund a military system that is hopelessly inefficient and that rewards corporations that have constant huge cost overruns with basically no attempt to fix the problems you are willingly transferring public funds to private hands. The same thing has happened in Iraq in so many ways it's hard to keep track.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_21:08:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "Jim_Satterfield", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "2943480": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances? And because protectionism and taxing the 'wealthy' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?<br><br>Just because we've been mugged by a lousy version of conservatism doesn't mean we should look to liberal thugs to finish us off.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-08_13:48:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "CStanley", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "http://themoderatevoice.com/disqus-blank.html", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "5522097", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "2724", "hash": -1629575007211923723}, "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word", "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 5522097, "num_posts": 44, "closed": true, "queued": false, "killed": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": false, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "8e626a1cbe92745e5f4435bb28791555", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
  this.MODERATE_OPTIONS = "Moderate Options";

  // Thread moderator actions
  this.CLOSE_THREAD = "Close thread";
  this.OPEN_THREAD = "Open thread";
  this.REMOVE_THREAD = "Remove thread";
  this.RESTORE_THREAD = "Restore thread";
  this.ACTIONS = "Actions";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = 'a2d140c59df8cd4ce27a20e0829cacd8';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=themoderatevoice' +
		'&t=is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL + '</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS + '</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/uploads/forums/2724//avatar92.jpg';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">44</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p>Comments for this page are closed.</p>\n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on The Moderate Voice" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:5522097" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'themoderatevoice',
			't'				: 'is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'is_liberal_still_a_dirty_word'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate-threads/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/themoderatevoice/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/5522097/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
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Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2947410">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2947410" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2947410" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2947410">Ike_Skelton</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2947410" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2947410" class="dsq-comment-message">Someone didn\'t like my comment?  Liberals used to be more like conservatives way back when, it was a factual statement.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2972248">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2972248" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2972248" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2972248">mwalimu</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2972248" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2972248" class="dsq-comment-message">Since I live in a grungy neighborhood in Los Angeles, I get sick and tired of coping with the homeless. According to an article in LA City Beat, it costs somewhere between $ 10,000 to $ 25,000 to rehabilitate a homeless person. That\'s a lot of money, but it\'s far cheaper than the current system of jails, police sweeps and emergency wards that we engage in now.<br>    It costs money to send a boy from the \'hood to a UC on a full paid scholarship, but it\'s a lot cheaper than sending him to jail for 4 years. It\'s expensive to provide psychological treatment to victims of child abuse and to fix up our dysfunctional system of foster care, but that\'s cheaper than putting someone a way for life in a penitentiary. (Most violent criminals were abused as children.)<br>    It costs money to fix a bridge, but it\'s far cheaper to fix a bridge than to rebuild it. Universal health care seems expensive, but it\'s a lot cheaper than our current dysfunctional system of private health care. (Check the WHO statistics.) It costs money to re-tool our economy into a green tech economy, but that\'s a lot cheaper than the costs of global warming.<br>    The whole concept of liberal and conservative is out of date. Conservatives promises tax cuts now, but they are merely passing the bill to the next generation where the costs will be much higher. Liberals are the only true fiscal conservatives</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942499">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942499" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942499" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942499">superdestroyer</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942499" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942499" class="dsq-comment-message">Liberal in not a dirty word because liberals started calling themselves progressives and gave up many of the dumbest ideas such as gauaranted income, forced busing, soft on crime, and punish private business.  Liberals became a dirty word in the late 1970\'s when the misery index was the highest.  <br><br>Now that liberals are given up on guns, busing in most cases, and going easy on criminals, the Democrats have a huge majority.   <br><br>the other thing is that the liberal/conservative paradigm is only used for whites. When was the last tiem that you heard the CBC describe as liberal even though they are probably the most liberal group in Congress.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942678">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942678" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942678" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942678">Marlowecan</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942678" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942678" class="dsq-comment-message">Liberalism is the politics that dare not speak its name.<br><br>Hence, as SD notes, liberals began calling themselves progressives as they were tired of being beaten up for being liberals since Reagan.<br><br>Elyas\' post is a good one. . .though it would have been more accurate to say conservatives have been in charge for 28 years as opposed to 8. <br><br>Why shouldn\'t liberals take back the name, and wear it proudly.  Look at the great liberal icons: FDR and LBJ.  There will be a political cost, of course.  Obama has been in no hurry to take up the designation.  <br><br>But perhaps Elyas is right . . . the effectiveness of "liberal" as a GOP scourge may be past.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942801">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942801" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942801" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942801">JSpencer</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942801" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942801" class="dsq-comment-message">The word "liberal" long had positive connotations until there was a concerted effort to make it into a pejorative, an effort which only succeeded among those folks who were history challenged to begin with. In the end it helped to solidify the R base, but as we\'ve seen, this doesn\'t take much. If John McCain thinks the word still carries negative weight, then he\'s living in the past... along with many of his supporters.</div>\
	 </div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942856">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942856" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942856" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942856">Marlowecan</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942856" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942856" class="dsq-comment-message">SD..."the other thing is that the liberal/conservative paradigm is only used for whites."<br><br>Do you think so?  The Republicans are more than happy to describe any Democrat as liberal.<br><br>Perhaps you are thinking of the MSM, SD?  Almost all Republicans are right-wing or far-right or ultra-conservative . . . I have never read of any Democrat being labelled a "liberal" Democrat, black or white, in media reporting.  Of course, perhaps there are no liberal Democrats anymore?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942926">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942926" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942926" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942926">Ike_Skelton</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942926" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942926" class="dsq-comment-message">Liberal hasn\'t been a dirty word since the classical liberal who was more like today\'s conservative than today\'s liberal.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942936">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942936" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942936" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2942936">Marlowecan</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942936" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942936" class="dsq-comment-message">"If John McCain thinks the word still carries negative weight, then he\'s living in the past..."<br><br>Reflecting on Elyas post, I think this is very true.  It has been a generation since it was effective as a pejorative.<br><br>I recall the lyrics of Supertramp\'s "Logical Song" from 1979:<br><br>"Now watch what you say<br>Or they´ll be calling you a radical<br>A liberal, oh fanatical, criminal..."</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2942964">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2942964" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2942964" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2942964" href="http://www.whyweworry.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ChrisWWW</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2942964" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2942964" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>Almost all Republicans are right-wing or far-right or ultra-conservative . . . I have never read of any Democrat being labelled a "liberal" Democrat, black or white, in media reporting.</blockquote><br>I don\'t notice Republicans being labelled that either to be perfectly honest. I admit that I\'m not a consumer of ALL news, but I feel like I read a good deal of WaPo, NYT, the WSJ and catch a lot of MSNBC and CNN.<br><br><blockquote>Of course, perhaps there are no liberal Democrats anymore?</blockquote><br>I don\'t think the majority of Dems are what we used to consider liberal. The entire party has moved to the right of Richard Nixon.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2943159">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943159" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943159" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2943159">superdestroyer</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943159" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943159" class="dsq-comment-message">Jspencer, <br><br>Liberal became an insult when a liberal federal judge in Boston order forced bussing while Judge\'s own children were attending all white private schools.  Liberal became an insult when it came to define a lack of leadership.  Liberals in the 1970\'s were great at asking others to make sacrafices that they did not ask of themselves.  They called the middle class racist while their own lives were white only, they called for people to endure high crime and fear  while living in protected areas, they called for others to pay higher taxes and lower their standard of living without lowering their own.  Remember the term Limosine liberal to describe NYC, DC, and LA. <br><br>Now that people have forgotten 70% tax brackets, high crime, and forced busiing, the left feels free to use the term again.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2943251">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943251" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943251" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2943251" href="http://www.whyweworry.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ChrisWWW</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943251" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943251" class="dsq-comment-message">The better question is why isn\'t "conservative" a pejorative <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/110983/Americans-Satisfaction-AllTime-Low.aspx" rel="nofollow">at this point</a>?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943272" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943272" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2943272">Marlowecan</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943272" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943272" class="dsq-comment-message">Chris WWW said:  "I don\'t think the majority of Dems are what we used to consider liberal. The entire party has moved to the right of Richard Nixon."<br><br>You may be right, Chris, with the DLC and all.<br><br>But are times changing?  The economic crisis seems to call for a renewed Keynesian intervention in the market . . . a la liberals of old.<br><br>And the recent rakings over the coals of the Lehman Bros. CEO and AIG executives by Waxman et al.  seemed a refreshing breath of liberalism.  <br><br>I am conservative, of course, but liberalism represents a viable corrective to market excesses.  FDR saved capitalism from itself, after all.   And if more people bothered to read "Wealth of Nations" they would find Adam Smith noting repeatedly sectors in which the market is inadequate and the state must intevene.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943513" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943513" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2943513" href="http://www.whyweworry.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ChrisWWW</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943513" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943513" class="dsq-comment-message">Marlow,<br>The economy is one of those few areas where I think a truly centrist tack is probably the right one. <br><br>Unbridled conservatism ends with sweat shops and spoiled planet. Unbridled liberalism leads to the destruction of the profit motive for small business, which is still the most important part of the economy.<br><br>Unfortunately, both Democrats and Republicans don\'t really subscribe to either o doctrine. For over a hundred years government and business interests have slowly combined in such a way that they are hardly distinguishable.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2943645">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943645" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943645" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2943645">JSpencer</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943645" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943645" class="dsq-comment-message">SD, that\'s an interesting explanation, but it\'s cherry picking. The meaning of liberal in the popular lexicon didn\'t start morphing until people like Rush, Newt, et al started the push to pejorative.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-2943652">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943652" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943652" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2943652">Amanda</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943652" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943652" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>And because protectionism and taxing the \'wealthy\' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?</b><br><br>People keep presenting this line as if it\'s concrete fact, yet I\'ve never seen or heard anyone actually prove it or defend it with verifiable examples.  I\'m not saying it isn\'t true, I\'m just skeptical.  especially when you consider that the trickle-down style of economics did more harm than good to the middle class.<br><br>It seems illogical to assume that shifting some of the tax burden off of the middle class and onto the wealthy results in an economic slow-down.  Middle-class people are the biggest consumers.  If they have a little extra money to spend, they will.  And that means more jobs for the people who design, manufacture, market, sell, and maintain whatever it is the middle class people are buying.  And that in turn means the CEO\'s of the large companies and the owners of the small businesses are all producing and selling more, and making more money.  The wealthier people may not have quite as large a slice of the pie proportionally speaking, but they aren\'t starving for income either.</div>\
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	 </li>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943710" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943710" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2943710" href="http://www.whyweworry.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ChrisWWW</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943710" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances? And because protectionism and taxing the \'wealthy\' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?</blockquote><br>A few points:<br>* It thought we both agreed that social spending, done right, would help alleviate the pains of a recession? <br><br>* Why is the military budget such a sacred cow? Our immense budget hasn\'t solved the problems in Afghanistan and it created bigger problems in Iraq. Our biggest potential military rivals, Russia and China, are decades behind us in technology, and as long as we rely on them for oil and loans, they\'ll be able to do far more damage to us without firing a bullet.<br><br>* I haven\'t seen a Democrat of any importance ask for "protectionism" of any sort. <br><br>* Taxing $250,000+\'aires at a higher rate won\'t kill the economy. Unless you honestly think these folks will stop working out of disgust at the lost of a few percent of their income?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943796" class="dsq-comment-message">Amanda, the problem is that no one \'shift\' works the same way in a bad economy that it does in a good one (or even in a \'really bad\' one vs. a kinda bad one.) I think what most people miss on economic understanding is that it\'s the changes and direction of change that matters more than the absolute values of what the tax brackets and such are.<br><br>Fundamentally, doesn\'t it make sense that when economic activity is grinding to a halt that we need to work on helping businesses to thrive? I\'m in a medical field so the analogy that makes sense to me is that finance is the circulatory system- and if a patient\'s circulatory system is collapsing you can\'t save the kidneys unless you can get the blood pressure and flow going again.<br><br>Trickle down doesn\'t always work because the knee jerk supporters of it often recommend it when it isn\'t the right time. But logically it doesn\'t follow that an instance of failure of that kind of economic plan in one economic climate means that the same economic plan isn\'t the right thing to do in a completely different economic environment. Again to use medical analogy, one medicine may be completely contraindicated for a certain illness or condition but could be lifesaving for another.<br><br>I\'m sort of with Chris in that the totally ideological positions (total free market or socialist) don\'t make any sense- but I\'ll also add that the pragmatists who figure out the right mix have to also be able to analyze what conditions dictate which policies.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943857" class="dsq-comment-message">Also Amanda, on your comment about shifting tax burden: the top 5% of wage earners pay something like 60% of the federal income tax. How far do you think that should be shifted? Will you acknowledge that at some point you do more harm than good? And is it right to call a credit to non-income tax paying individuals a \'tax cut\' as Obama does?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943943" class="dsq-comment-message">* It thought we both agreed that social spending, done right, would help alleviate the pains of a recession? <br>Details matter- I would support certain things but not others and in my comment here I was addressing entitlement spending which has to somehow be brought under control instead of being broadened even more.<br><br>* Why is the military budget such a sacred cow? Our immense budget hasn\'t solved the problems in Afghanistan and it created bigger problems in Iraq. Our biggest potential military rivals, Russia and China, are decades behind us in technology, and as long as we rely on them for oil and loans, they\'ll be able to do far more damage to us without firing a bullet.<br><br>The military was cut sharply in the 90s and we\'re still building it back. EU likes to thumb their nose at us but still count on us for most military protection- we should work to change that but for now we\'re stuck footing the bill. We do need to cut the waste and fraud, but not cut the overall spending (just use it wisely so that we\'re not spread too thin as we are now.)<br><br>* I haven\'t seen a Democrat of any importance ask for "protectionism" of any sort. <br>Huh?? NAFTA and other trade agreements aren\'t being opposed? (well, I guess it is hard to tell what Obama\'s real position is.) We don\'t constantly hear about protecting American jobs (I\'m not opposed to that idea, of course, just the thought process behind the way Dems propose to do that.)<br><br>* Taxing $250,000+\'aires at a higher rate won\'t kill the economy. Unless you honestly think these folks will stop working out of disgust at the lost of a few percent of their income?<br>I don\'t know what the line is, but there most certainly is one. And I don\'t see how Obama plans to continue all of his spending plans without raising more than just that bracket anyway- that\'ll be just the first of many steps.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2944022" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>And I don\'t see how Obama plans to continue all of his spending plans without raising more than just that bracket anyway- that\'ll be just the first of many steps.</blockquote><br><br>The same way Bush paid for his. I almost think you want Obama to raise taxes to confirm your view of Democrats vs. Republicans :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945026" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>The same way Bush paid for his.</i><br><br>And you\'re OK with raising the deficit that much further? (notwithstanding that McCain will also end up raising it, but I think he\'s much more of a spending hawk and I argue that that\'s incredibly important right now.)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945097" class="dsq-comment-message">I meant to add earlier too, that income tax is just part of the picture. Obama has already backed off of his initial plan to raise capital gains all the way to 28% and I think he\'s now proposing 20%. Either move is incredibly foolish in a stagnated economy. Both candidates will need to face up to the fact that revenue from capital gains is going to be sharply declined no matter what, and making a move to lower it will at least spur some increased selling and bring in a bit more revenue in the short term- plus that gets the trading (circulation) going again.<br><br>And, decreasing corporate tax rates (McCain\'s plan) certainly makes sense to make us competitive to keep companies in the US. It\'s obvious that within the US companies look at the tax advantages of locating in one state instead of another, and now that our economy is more global the same principle applies to our federal corporate taxation.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945553" class="dsq-comment-message">I still can\'t figure out some of the commenters here who still buy the neocon economic philosophy. Some no doubt are complicit, that is, they are among the small  fraction who once paid 70% tax on income above the stratospheric level. Most I think just buy into the trickle down hype despite 30 years evidence to the contrary.<br><br>But let\'s look at some of those positions. Around 0.62?% of our population are millionaires. Giving them a disproportionate break is not democratic, as it is wealth redistribution from the many in the middle to the few at the top. I\'m in that 0.62%, but have never thought I get a bad break paying more in taxes. Like Warren Buffet (though far far below his fiscal strata) I am appalled that, as he put it, "I pay a lower % than my secretary." Why should only the paltry first $85K of a huge income be subject to FICA that those of lesser means pay on 100% of their incomes? I use more government services than most, as I can afford to travel extensively both by air and highway, both of which are massively supported by tax dollars. There are many other areas in which I feel the American system has benefited me disproportionately (believe me, I\'m not complaining). But I totally disagree with racking up 11 trillion on our kids\' credit card. How unbelievably selfish. CStanley, DLS, SD? Are you that selfish? <br><br>And the "drill baby drill" stuff. If you think of all the oil we ever had in America as a six pack of beer, we\'ve consumed 4 cans and opened the fifth. Before our kids are even 21 you want to open the last can? Again. How unbearably selfish.<br><br>Chris is right. Raising the rate for the rich doesn\'t stifle business or entrepreneurialism. Do you think no fortunes were made before Reagan? Get a grip. Most of the wealthiest families in the US got that way before the upper tax rate was lowered. You think I\'d shut down my business and fire people because my personal tax rate goes up? How would that make sense? Or maybe you think aspiring millionaires would just decide to work at Wendy\'s instead.<br><br>Military budgets. They\'re obscene. CStanley bemoans the reductions in the 90s. We won the cold war. Should we not have expected that we could reduce the staggering costs of that era? Further, most of what we\'re spending on right now is pointless; witness Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Our high tech global reach super war machine cannot subdue a third world country. It\'s a huge part of our dwindling discretionary budget, and it\'s all borrowed from our children. You think they need nukes and ICBMs and "star wars" more than decent infrastructure, affordable health care and a living wage?<br><br>CStanley, you must be really afraid, to think that this kind of massive spending is justified. A terrorist could walk in today to a hospital with a handgun and steal enough radioactive material to shut down a major US city. None of our smart bombs and secret prisons will do a thing to stop that. We\'re lavishing money we don\'t have on military preparedness that fails to prepare us for the reality of today\'s conflict.<br><br>"Protectionism", like "liberal" has been demonized. We have to figure out whether we want to save a single American business. American companies and American workers can\'t compete with sweatshop practices and absence of environmental regulations, yet I hear some people here who seem to think that if US businesses were just free of all regulation, we\'d be better off. That is obviously not true. Already we\'re in a situation in which stimulating our own economy is increasingly difficult. What can an American buy today that will keep dollars at home? Not shoes or clothes or electronics or appliances. What? We have killed our manufacturing sector because big business finds it easier and cheaper to buy from polluting foreign sweatshops. This is a race to the bottom and will not serve us well.<br><br>Wake up, America. If rich people can scare you into voting against your own interests, you\'re stuck there. In that hole.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945766" class="dsq-comment-message">GD: I don\'t have time to parse all of that right now, but right off the bat:<br><br>FICA isn\'t meant to be wealth redistribution, it was NEVER meant to collect from the wealthy to give to the poor and has nothing to do with whether or not you use more of the infrastructure of the US. Even FDR didn\'t envision it that way- it was a retirement investment whereby each individual payed into the system during working years and was then able to receive benefits in retirement, and the funding worked as long as we had more younger people in the workforce than older folks retiring (a pyramid of demographic ages); of course the baby boom and then bust cycle have upset that cart, as has the mentality that you describe where the social security trust fund was raided for other purposes.<br><br>Second quick point is that military strength is a deterrent and it backs up our ability to provide diplomatic pressure when needed. You can dispense with the transparent attempt to dismiss that argument by calling me fearful. Should we have cut back in the 90\'s after the fall of USSR? Sure, probably somewhat- but not at the rate that we did. You can honestly look at all of the threats to the security of the US and our allies today and not think that\'s the case? You don\'t think that our military is currently spread too thin, even after we start drawing down in Iraq? <br><br>I\'m sure you disagreed with the Iraq invasion, but if there had been a justifiable threat in your mind in addition to Afghanistan (assuming you supported that front?), how would we have dealt with it if not in the same half assed way that we had to handle Iraq? Rummy was right that we could topple Saddam with a mean and lean force, but what came afterward obviously did require more resources and troops, and many other military interventions will require a larger capability too.<br><br><i>yet I hear some people here who seem to think that if US businesses were just free of all regulation,</i> Strawman alert. Who said this? Some regulation is needed, other regulation is just stupid and harmful. I haven\'t seen anyone here say that we should have a completely laissez faire economy.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945804" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>And you\'re OK with raising the deficit that much further?</blockquote><br>We don\'t have any choice. The time to save for tough times was before we actually got into one of those tough times. <br><br>Now the trick is expanding the economy, and the only way to really do that in a credit crunch where businesses can\'t raise capital is through increased government spending. After all, the government can still get decent loans even if you or I can\'t.<br><br>****<br>Great post GreenDreams, if you lived in the triangle area, I\'d buy you a beer, even though you can totally afford it :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945851" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, and other than being a boogeyman epithet, why did you use the word "neocon" to describe conservative economic philosophy? I\'m not even aware if there is a neocon economic policy, since neoconservatism generally refers to a foreign policy theory. I guess what you are referring to is actually paleoconservatism (and many paleoconservatives hate the neocons and feel they hijacked the Republican party anyway) but even paleoconservatism isn\'t necessarily completely libertarian or free market.<br><br>BTW, <a href "http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f908-4ddd-4397-9ad8-f4ec057e4212" rel="nofollow">here\'s a good primer on regulation pros and cons- and I don\'t think you\'d call this blog a neocon hangout. :-)</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2945920" class="dsq-comment-message">First, I think it\'s important to distinguish between fiscal policy, tax policy, and economic policy. Fiscal policy controls the money flow, and my impression is that even staunch conservatives are in favor of central control of that. Economic policy interacts with fiscal policy, but it is not the same. Tax policy controls the govenmental revenue flow, but allow me to ignore that aspect for the time being for the sake of simplicity.<br><br>Staunch conservatives desire the market to be totally free and unfettered. And up until very recently, it wouldn\'t have been hard to find a staunch conservative that would have argued that case in its extreme. Staunch liberals, it seems to me, are less of one mind about it. Clearly, liberals generally prefer greater control over the markets, but you\'d have to look very far to the left indeed to find one who advocated anything close to total central control. <br><br>The fact is, though, we are nowhere close to either extreme. The current credit meltdown is a major kick in the head to the staunch conservative bunch, though. And if it\'s not recognized as such it should be. There have been other knocks in the recent past (e.g., salmonella in our veggies, mad cow disease in our meat, lead in our kids\' toys, melamine in our chocolate, toxic chemicals in our groundwater, etc.), but if the credit meltdown doesn\'t make it clear that there are major externalities that the market can\'t easily deal with, nothing will. Apart from trying to attribute blame, or trying to decipher what approach would have been better, the fact is the argument from all sides is that the laws in place were inadequate to the task. That begs the question: what would have happened if there were no laws at all? I shudder to think.<br><br>There is a difference between classical Keynesian economic philosophy (which did not distinguish between money supply and economic issues) and neo-Keynesian economic philosophy (which does). The Reagan administration was a good example of the supply side economic philosophy in action with a considerable amount of deficit spending in other areas. That didn\'t happen in isolation either. He (and Volker) also tightened the money supply. Likewise, his Star Wars concept was a federal R&D project that has cost many billions of dollars. It\'s hard to say exactly how much because much of it is cloaked. But that represents an economic stimulus package. The Clinton administration was an example of neo-Keynesian philosophy in action more than Reagan. Clinton emphasized R&D and technology transfer, both in information technology and biomedical technology. And that, I think, is something that needs to be done in the present case, with an emphasis on energy. Nonetheless, Clinton largely kept in place the same monetary policies as Reagan, but changed the tax policy. The bottom line is, fiscal policy, tax policy, and economic policy are not the same. They are related, but not the same. <br><br>IMO, the wheels came off in the Bush43 administration. He managed to combine the worst of everything. But I think I\'ll reserve that discussion for another time.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946036" class="dsq-comment-message">Those are very good points, Rico, although I disagree with some of the opinons you draw on how far we are (or have been) to one extreme or the other and who is advocating what.<br><br>I mostly do agree with your final paragraph, but one of the problems that I think you miss (and it\'s a big one) is when it\'s not externalities aside from govt, but govt intervention itself that screws with the market\'s ability to self correct (ie, govt intervention into the mortgage method, which was in some senses a deregulatory intervention and in another sense it was the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults.)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946062" class="dsq-comment-message">CStanley: <i>BTW, here\'s a good primer on regulation pros and cons- and I don\'t think you\'d call this blog a neocon hangout. :-)</i><br><br>I don\'t think you\'d call it a link, either :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946250" class="dsq-comment-message">CS says:<i>Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances?</i><br><br>Why is our Pentagon spending a sacred cow? Our defense budget is like 50% of the worlds military spending. The USSR collapsed under the burden of the arms race, why  should the USA be any different? <br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...</a><br>World Total 	1,200,000,000,000 (USD)<br>United States 	  583,283,000,000 (USD)<br>European Union Total 	311,920,000,000 (USD)<br><br>In times of record deficits and no universal health care, why are we spending on <a href="http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2007/July/Pages/DefenseWatch2592.aspx rel="nofollow"> FCS</a>  and <a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-stealth-d.html" rel="nofollow">stealth destroyers</a>? What enemies are we fighting, the neo-Russian empire, Iran or <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/" rel="nofollow">Terminator Salvation</a>?<br>How will the DDG-1000(stealth destroyer) and networked robots work any better than the Hummer? The Hummer is dead in favor of the MRV.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946345" class="dsq-comment-message">CStanley, I wasn\'t suggesting FICA should be used or was designed for wealth redistribution. It\'s just one fairly glaring inequity in gross pay vs net pay for most Americans. <br><br>Military deterrence. We still have more than enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. We don\'t need a single additional nuclear weapon. Ever. (except replacing one occasionally I suppose). Our high tech weaponry was next to useless in Afghanistan. We needed more troops, but mainly more FOCUS. Military spending won\'t give us that. As for Iraq, it was a dumb self-inflicted wound. We should have left Saddam to keep radical Islam at bay in Iraq and worked as we have elsewhere to empower resistance and envy for our healthy economy (which it was then) and democracy. Saddam was no threat to us and I do hope you see the debacle we have created both in Iraq and at home with that misadventure.<br><br>As for "neocon" economic thinking, I don\'t know what else to call it, so let\'s call it "Reaganomics". It certainly isn\'t conservative as I learned it. That was about being responsible about money, which we clearly are not.<br><br>I raise fear not as a strawman, but as the appeal that the GOP has used to frighten people into voting against their own best interests. If you are not voting based on that fear, then you drank the Kool Aid and believe what has been proven false about Reaganomics. You could rightly call it a bankrupt policy.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946536" class="dsq-comment-message">GD: You did a nice sleight of hand there though because you pointed out the inequity of higher earners paying less in FICA (their tax burden in terms of income tax bracket is much higher than that maid\'s would be.)<br><br>You\'re getting into details of military spending that attribute opinions to me that aren\'t accurate; I wasn\'t talking about maintaining military spending for more nukes; for technology I\'d have a mixed opinion- but mainly I\'m talking about troops. You don\'t increase enlistment unless you have the funding to pay them adequately, reward those who stay in as a career, and take care of the vets as they deserve. We need more special ops forces, and new and expanded types of training for the current threat of insurgent warfare instead of traditional battlefields.<br><br>And on the economics, well, forgive me for not agreeing that I\'m the one who\'s drunk the Koolaid when you are the one who has a propagandistic dismissal of "Reaganomics" without even being able to address what failed and what didn\'t (revenues did increase with his tax policy as the economy grew, but spending increased too and that\'s why the deficit ballooned) and without even being able to distinguish that from neoconservatism.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2946547" class="dsq-comment-message">Rico: thanks for pointing out my dead link- I can\'t figure out what I did wrong on the html so let me try it this way:<br><br><a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f908-4ddd-4397-9ad8-f4ec057e4212" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3cd3f...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2947100">Ricorun</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2947100" class="dsq-comment-message">CStanley: <i>I mostly do agree with your final paragraph, but one of the problems that I think you miss (and it\'s a big one) is when it\'s not externalities aside from govt, but govt intervention itself that screws with the market\'s ability to self correct (ie, govt intervention into the mortgage method, <b>which was in some senses a deregulatory intervention and in another sense it was the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective</b>, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults.)</i><br><br>First of all, the part of your comment I bolded makes no sense. Second, no one forced banks to make highly risky loans. That being said, however, one could argue that (a) the laws in place at least implied that taxpayers would be on the hook in case of defaults; (b) that the laws in place were intentioned to promote minority involvement in homeownership; (c) that subsequent barriers to affirmative action made the intentions in (b) difficult, if not impossible when the legislative, executive, and judicial climates shifted; (d) once (c) happened the field became open to speculators of all species and; (e) once (d) happened the situation became truly toxic.<br><br>That\'s a simple thumbnail sketch. There is certainly much more to it. But I think it captures the fundamentals as well as capturing why, once the governmental winds shift, cascading absurdities can develop which can take some time to stabilize. The trouble is, in the mean time things can go very, very wrong. On the other hand, I think it could be said that one administration doesn\'t normally challenge so many aspects of the status quo on so many different levels as has the Bush43 administration. Because he has, we are in uncharted territory. IMO, that in itself is unprecedented, and hard to keep up with -- and it doesn\'t augur well for our future. But as I study it more, the more I think a change of parties in the executive branch is essential. I say that partly as a recent partisan, but also as a realist. IMO, there is no other alternative that could come close to a guarantee that things will fundamentally change at the level that most needs changing. That\'s not to say such a change is sufficient, but I believe it is necessary. Generally speaking, I\'m a big fan of divided government. But in the present case, I truly believe it would make more sense to make a change in the executive branch (I have no faith McCain will clean house in that regard), and if he (Obama) overreaches, hope for the best in 2010 as far as the legislative branch is concerned.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2947858">JSpencer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2947858" class="dsq-comment-message">I was never one of those who winced about the manufactured identity. Most folks who went to school and learned a bit about government and history have had some exposure to the rich legacy liberals have in this country, whether  talking about civil rights, protections against unfair labor standards, womens rights, environmentalism, education, or trying to stop idiotic and unnecessary wars. Of course those who received their education about liberals at the hands of people like Rush Limbaugh will see things differently, which is in itself a lesson about the value of learning how to think for ones self.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2948278" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2948278" href="http://greendreams.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GreenDreams</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2948278" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2948278" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, CS, I can certainly articulate what doesn\'t work about Reaganomics. Laissez-faire economic policy is characterized by three pillars: privatization, deregulation and deep cuts in social spending. The results are characterized by increasing wealth gap, the transfer of public wealth to private hands and the transfer of private debt to the public. That is exactly what has happened in the US. <br><br>Reaganomics didn\'t increase tax revenue. It borrowed huge amounts from future generations and gave it to the wealthy, who then paid taxes on it, giving back a small % of the public wealth given to them. Giving our kids\' money to middle income taxpayers would have increased it still more, because as a % of income they pay more, and because they are more likely to spend it.<br><br>As for "the type of regulation that makes no sense from a finance perspective, forcing banks to make loans that were highly risky with the taxpayers on the hook for the defaults," have a listen to GW Bush praising the deregulation that allowed this. <br><br>He said it was "to help deserving families with bad credit qualify for a home loan. You don\'t have to have a lousy home. First time home buyers, low income home buyers, can have just as nice a home as anybody else."<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2948879" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2948879">Ricorun</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2948879" class="dsq-comment-message">GD, I find myself in the position of defending CS, at least insofar as what you said. At least I think so. I think that what you said about "Reaganomics" is true, but his economic policy was only part of the story. Moreover, I think your statement that Reaganomics was characterized by privatization, deregulation and deep cuts in social spending is only two-thirds true. Certainly Reagan championed privatization and deregulation -- arguably at a time when they needed such adjustments -- but deep cuts in social spending? Hardly. Considerable increases in social spending, albeit with reorganization, is a better characterization of the facts. Nonetheless, a case could be made that said reorganization was reasonably considered at the time. Whatever cuts Reagan made in other programs, he piled the money (and more) into defense spending. The intention was to make it clear to the USSR that they couldn\'t keep up. He was right, and the USSR crumbled. In the process all kinds of markets, particularly in Eastern Europe, opened up. It was, in effect, a Marshall plan, although very few thought of it as that because it wasn\'t structured anywhere close to the same. But it was a <i>really smart thing to do</i>, IMO, it rates right up there with (and even surpasses) Nixon\'s decision to develop relations with China.<br><br>But that was then and this is now. And that\'s really important. The differences between the two are nothing short of tectonic on so many levels. There is no comparison between the times then and the times now. And any attempt to equate the two on any sort of one-to-one level is a fool\'s errand. If I were only allowed a five second sound-bite on the topic I would say that that\'s what worries me the most about McCain. IMO, he has an obvious tendency to consider foreign relations in the past tense, not the future -- or even the present tense.<br><br>And it\'s not just foreign relations. GD, you provided a YouTube link to times which documented GW Bush bragging about the strides his administration made in securing minority home ownership. Now we\'re supposed to ignore that, as well as McCain\'s repeated proclamations that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong", and concentrate on whatever bail-out plan is du jeur. Later McCain said he meant by "the fundamentals of our economy" is the workers -- and oh, by the way, the economy is in crisis, so he has to suspend his campaign to deal with it. Which he didn\'t. Unfortunately, he has yet to even mention "the middle class" hardly ever. Certainly not in two debates now, and <i>has yet to mention anything at all</i> about the energy situation except "drill, baby, drill" and nuclear energy -- except to say that his energy plan includes "all of the above". What a crock.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2949061" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2949061" href="http://polimom.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Polimom</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2949061" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2949061" class="dsq-comment-message">This is a great thread!  I\'m sorry I\'ve been offline all day and missed so much of this... so I\'ll just have to jump right in.<br><br>:&gt;<br><br>GreenDreams, your last comment included this:  <em>"the transfer of public wealth to private hands"</em><br><br>Can you define public wealth for me?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2949929" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2949929">Jim_Satterfield</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2949929" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2949929" class="dsq-comment-message">When you contnue to fund a military system that is hopelessly inefficient and that rewards corporations that have constant huge cost overruns with basically no attempt to fix the problems you are willingly transferring public funds to private hands. The same thing has happened in Iraq in so many ways it\'s hard to keep track.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2956179" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2956179" href="http://www.whyweworry.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ChrisWWW</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2956179" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2956179" class="dsq-comment-message"><blockquote>Whatever cuts Reagan made in other programs, he piled the money (and more) into defense spending. The intention was to make it clear to the USSR that they couldn\'t keep up. He was right, and the USSR crumbled.</blockquote><br>The USSR had already been spending a crippling share of their GDP on defense since the 1950s. Reagan didn\'t change our course with regards to the USSR, he merely continued the plan and was lucky enough to be there when it finally succeeded.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2961793" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2961793" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2961793">JSpencer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2961793" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2961793" class="dsq-comment-message">Great point Jim. The military industrial complex Eisenhower warned against is in full bloom and it ain\'t pretty. This is one of the greatest transfers of public wealth to private hands ever, and while I believe in a strong national defense, the abuses and lack of oversight in this area have been legion. All those fools at the McCain/Palin rallys who are chanting "socialism" (along with "terrorist" and "kill him") probably don\'t have the first clue about the ways in which socialism functions in this country (albeit under other names), or the ways in which  it can be a force for good - or for bad. But why would they? They\'re too wrapped up in the politics of demonization and division to actually learn anything.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2962391">Rudi</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2962391" class="dsq-comment-message">In a comment above, I harped on about the stealth DDG-1000 destroyer. Sorry about the bad link, the article is relevant to the military boondoggles.<br><a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-stealth-d.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/navys-ste...</a><br><blockquote>Two weeks ago, the Navy canceled plans to build the rest of its hulking stealth destroyers. At first, it looked like the DDG-1000s\' $5-billion-a-copy price tag was to blame. Now, it appears the real reason has slipped out: The Navy\'s <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a>most advanced warship is all but defenseless against one of its best-known threats.<br><br>We already knew that the older, cheaper, Burke-class destroyers (pictured) are better able to fight off anti-ship missiles -- widely considered the most deadly (and most obvious) hazard to the American fleet. Specifically, the old Burkes can shoot down those missiles using special SM-3 interceptors; the new DDG-1000 cannot.<br><br>But now, a leading figure in the Navy, Deputy Chief of Naval Operations (and Vice-Admiral) Barry McCullough, is saying that the DDG-1000 "cannot perform area air defense" at all. Never mind the SM-3; the ship isn\'t designed to fire any kind of long-range air-defense missile, whatsoever. It\'s presumably limited to the same last-ditch "point defense" systems (think Phalanx guns and short-range interceptors, like the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles) that cargo ships, aircraft carriers and even Coast Guard cutters carry in case a missile slips past their screening Burkes. Those point defenses can\'t intercept ballistic missiles at all -- and when they destroy sea-skimming missiles, the debris can still strike and severely damage the ship.<br><br>In other words, the world\'s most expensive surface warship can\'t properly defend itself or other ships from an extremely widespread threat. That, needless to say, is a problem. Not only is the DDG-1000 vulnerable to the ballistic anti-ship missiles that countries such as China are developing, it wouldn\'t even be particularly effective at protecting fleets against common weapons in the arsenals of everyone from Russia to Iran. And it\'s not like this was some kind of new threat; these missiles have been around, in one form or another, since World War II.<br><br>If that wasn\'t bad enough, the Navy has been saying all along that the DDG-1000 can fire at least some of Raytheon\'s missile-killing Standard Missiles. In other words, according to the inestimable Galrahn over at Information Dissemination, "the Navy has been delivering a lunch bag of bullshit to Congress regarding surface combatants for three years."</blockquote><br>At least the plug was pulled on this farce, but what about rigged up test on the MDS? There isn\'t anybody today willing to question the run away spending in the Pentagon. We need a reincarnation of <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/national/16proxmire.html" rel="nofollow">Proxmire</a>  and the "Golden Fleece".</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2965189" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2965189" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-2965189" href="http://greendreams.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GreenDreams</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2965189" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2965189" class="dsq-comment-message">Looks like this thread is still alive. I had to sleep. If others are still following this, I\'ll dive back in.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-2943480" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-2943480" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-2943480">CStanley</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-2943480" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-2943480" class="dsq-comment-message">Uh, because huge deficit spending on social programs is unsustainable, and military cuts impossible due to our current circumstances? And because protectionism and taxing the \'wealthy\' will strangle the last gasps of an economy trying to recover?<br><br>Just because we\'ve been mugged by a lousy version of conservatism doesn\'t mean we should look to liberal thugs to finish us off.</div>\
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