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Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

DLS — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:53:21 -0000

"I also believe we need a level of realism in balancing the environment with the economy."

That&#39s not only politically incorrect. That is sacreligious, in some cases (see "global warming").

I grew up in California and don&#39t miss the worst lefty lunacy for which that state is known. I&#39m normal and healthy -- I despise and even abhor it. Yeech.

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"But a radical environmental group decided that this was not enough, so they sued to stop Chevron."

"So should all refining take place outside of the U.S. since it will be cheaper and easier."

These idiots are also anti-coal here in the Eastern USA (mindlessly so; they have no realistic, economical, practical alternative, as they typically are idiotically anti-nuclear, too) and those I&#39ve seen before in California are also typically anti-natural-gas, in part responsible for the decision to locate new liquefied natural gas facilities south of the border in Baja California. Oh, and they wanted San Onofre shut down as well as opposing Diablo Canyon before and after that nuclear facility was built, too, naturally.

They&#39re often also opposed to new transmission facilities, long overdue, too. They even already oppose _wind_ projects where they make sense, in the case of Cape Wind in the eastern USA at a top wind resource site. (The latest objection is that it is a private sector, i.e., likely successful commercially as well as obviously well-situated, project. But I suspect part of this, as in California&#39s case, is not radical enviro-lunacy but just plain NIMBY-ism.)

http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer

Meanwhile, the result of their foolishness in California is that California is reliant upon other states for much of its electrical power supply (and eventually, if not already, natural gas from LNG facilties put elsewhere). Presumably they can expect other states to do the refining of petroleum, too, though wherever else it would be situated, it would still be opposed by the worst of the fools.

"When Congress passes cap and trade it will be virtually impossible to build anything new in the U.S. that emits greenhouse gases will require an environmental assessment and the eco-socialist activist will be able to tie it up in the courts for years. "

Some of the activists will be so radical they even will irritate the little green fascists in Washington and their counterparts in Sacramento.

Note that Washington is compounding the radical-environmental idiocy in this country with its recent garbage climate bill. It includes not only silly wave-a-wand greenhouse-gas reduction goals to assuage many of the global-warming religious-cult totalitarians, but also begins imposing minimum "alternative" ("clean" or "green" or whatever other happy words you&#39d rather insert) energy requirements on utilities.

I.e., it&#39s taking a notorious political problem (dishonestly garbed as "science" [sic] or "a better future" [sic], etc.) that we already see in many states (notably including diseased behavior directed against both coal _and_ nuclear power in addition to irrational and irresponsible expectations about alternatives that are less practical or impractical, as well as costlier), and directly implementing them (or trying to, for now) as _federal_ policy. Sacramento goes to Washington, in other words. [gag, cough the _polluting_ nature of such a phenomenon]

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"Patrick, I nominate your hometown to be home to the high sulfur heavy crude refinery and the 1,000 jobs."

Well, plenty other people would take that, or any new prisons, and of course California is so pathetic it can&#39t house all its prisoners, so less-pathetic-but-also-pathetic Michigan is offering to house them here in numerous prisons Michigan is set to close. Hell, stuff the radicals resist as well as the dirty stuff the NIMBYs seem happy to export, too, can all go to the Rust Belt, which stands otherwise to be depopulated as well as deindustrialized, and thus substantially downsized otherwise in our future. (I don&#39t hear enviro folks clamoring to convert so much of this older, declining part of the country into parklands or exchanging land here in the East for the grossly excessive lands in the West still locked up by a colonialist federal government.)

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

DLS — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:53:21 -0000

"I also believe we need a level of realism in balancing the environment with the economy."

That's not only politically incorrect. That is sacreligious, in some cases (see "global warming").

I grew up in California and don't miss the worst lefty lunacy for which that state is known. I'm normal and healthy -- I despise and even abhor it. Yeech.

* * *

"But a radical environmental group decided that this was not enough, so they sued to stop Chevron."

"So should all refining take place outside of the U.S. since it will be cheaper and easier."

These idiots are also anti-coal here in the Eastern USA (mindlessly so; they have no realistic, economical, practical alternative, as they typically are idiotically anti-nuclear, too) and those I've seen before in California are also typically anti-natural-gas, in part responsible for the decision to locate new liquefied natural gas facilities south of the border in Baja California. Oh, and they wanted San Onofre shut down as well as opposing Diablo Canyon before and after that nuclear facility was built, too, naturally.

They're often also opposed to new transmission facilities, long overdue, too. They even already oppose _wind_ projects where they make sense, in the case of Cape Wind in the eastern USA at a top wind resource site. (The latest objection is that it is a private sector, i.e., likely successful commercially as well as obviously well-situated, project. But I suspect part of this, as in California's case, is not radical enviro-lunacy but just plain NIMBY-ism.)

http://www.saveoursound.org...

Meanwhile, the result of their foolishness in California is that California is reliant upon other states for much of its electrical power supply (and eventually, if not already, natural gas from LNG facilties put elsewhere). Presumably they can expect other states to do the refining of petroleum, too, though wherever else it would be situated, it would still be opposed by the worst of the fools.

"When Congress passes cap and trade it will be virtually impossible to build anything new in the U.S. that emits greenhouse gases will require an environmental assessment and the eco-socialist activist will be able to tie it up in the courts for years. "

Some of the activists will be so radical they even will irritate the little green fascists in Washington and their counterparts in Sacramento.

Note that Washington is compounding the radical-environmental idiocy in this country with its recent garbage climate bill. It includes not only silly wave-a-wand greenhouse-gas reduction goals to assuage many of the global-warming religious-cult totalitarians, but also begins imposing minimum "alternative" ("clean" or "green" or whatever other happy words you'd rather insert) energy requirements on utilities.

I.e., it's taking a notorious political problem (dishonestly garbed as "science" [sic] or "a better future" [sic], etc.) that we already see in many states (notably including diseased behavior directed against both coal _and_ nuclear power in addition to irrational and irresponsible expectations about alternatives that are less practical or impractical, as well as costlier), and directly implementing them (or trying to, for now) as _federal_ policy. Sacramento goes to Washington, in other words. [gag, cough the _polluting_ nature of such a phenomenon]

* * *

"Patrick, I nominate your hometown to be home to the high sulfur heavy crude refinery and the 1,000 jobs."

Well, plenty other people would take that, or any new prisons, and of course California is so pathetic it can't house all its prisoners, so less-pathetic-but-also-pathetic Michigan is offering to house them here in numerous prisons Michigan is set to close. Hell, stuff the radicals resist as well as the dirty stuff the NIMBYs seem happy to export, too, can all go to the Rust Belt, which stands otherwise to be depopulated as well as deindustrialized, and thus substantially downsized otherwise in our future. (I don't hear enviro folks clamoring to convert so much of this older, declining part of the country into parklands or exchanging land here in the East for the grossly excessive lands in the West still locked up by a colonialist federal government.)

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

superdestroyer — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:40:57 -0000

So should all refining take place outside of the U.S. since it will be cheaper and easier. Remember, the EPA is not allowed to consider the health risks of being unemployed and the health risks of a shrinking economy when considering impacts.

I guess the U.S. is back to the question os how can there be employees without employers. If everyone works for the government then who pays the taxes?

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

superdestroyer — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:40:57 -0000

I guess the U.S. is back to the question os how can there be employees without employers. If everyone works for the government then who pays the taxes?

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:36:16 -0000

Please tell me EarthJustice was not the organization you described as radical.

Don&#39t you know that anyone who stands up to Corporate America and it&#39s sycophants is a radical as far as moderates are concerned.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Lathamisajoke — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:18:34 -0000

FAIL.

Chevron announced in May that they were putting off replacing the 1930&#39s boilers from the power plant. That&#39s not what this lawsuit was about.

What Chevron was attempting to build now was two major components of the project that relate to heavier crude. They hid that fact in the report, beause it would blast an already polluted community with even more pollution. They wrote a bogus EIR and got busted by the court.

Now they have to try again.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:36:16 -0000

Please tell me EarthJustice was not the organization you described as radical.

Don't you know that anyone who stands up to Corporate America and it's sycophants is a radical as far as moderates are concerned.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

GreenDreams — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:50:25 -0000

Patrick, I nominate your hometown to be home to the high sulfur heavy crude refinery and the 1,000 jobs. Congratulations.

Please tell me EarthJustice was not the organization you described as radical. Pretty highly respected, actually. Here&#39s a list of some of their radical treehugger victories:
http://www.earthjustice.org/our_work/victory/

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Lathamisajoke — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:18:34 -0000

FAIL.

Chevron announced in May that they were putting off replacing the 1930's boilers from the power plant. That's not what this lawsuit was about.

What Chevron was attempting to build now was two major components of the project that relate to heavier crude. They hid that fact in the report, beause it would blast an already polluted community with even more pollution. They wrote a bogus EIR and got busted by the court.

Now they have to try again.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

GreenDreams — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:50:25 -0000

Patrick, I nominate your hometown to be home to the high sulfur heavy crude refinery and the 1,000 jobs. Congratulations.

Please tell me EarthJustice was not the organization you described as radical. Pretty highly respected, actually. Here's a list of some of their radical treehugger victories:
http://www.earthjustice.org...

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

GeorgeSorwell — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:20:54 -0000

Here&#39s a news article about this.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

superdestroyer — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:22:09 -0000

Welcome to the future. When Congress passes cap and trade it will be virtually impossible to build anything new in the U.S. that emits greenhouse gases will require an environmental assessment and the eco-socialist activist will be able to tie it up in the courts for years.

My guess is why the U.S. needs an EPA when ever decision has to be approved by a court before it can go forward. Why not just skip the EPA permitting process and have the courts regulate industry directly.

I wonder if all of the so called environmental activist know how hard poverty can be on one&#39s health? Since the EPA believes that the U.S. can go back to subsistence farming while maintaining a life expectancy of over 70 years, my guess is that the activist do not know.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:50:28 -0000

But a radical environmental group decided that this was not enough, so they sued to stop Chevron.

Earth Justice? Radical?

so you&#39re a radical if you go to court and defeat a multinational conglomerate.

What are you if you stand in front of the plant waving placards?
What are you if you boycott the company? encourage other people to boycott the company?
What are you if you blow up parts of the plant? what are you if you kill people who work for the company? about the executives?

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

GeorgeSorwell — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:20:54 -0000

Here's a news article about this.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

archangel — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:58:32 -0000

http://www.earthjustice.org/

I think this is the right one DQ. Hope that helps. There were several groups who enjoined to push Chevron back from their project.

Hope this helps your inquiry

dr.e
assistant editor, columnist TMV

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

superdestroyer — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:22:09 -0000

My guess is why the U.S. needs an EPA when ever decision has to be approved by a court before it can go forward. Why not just skip the EPA permitting process and have the courts regulate industry directly.

I wonder if all of the so called environmental activist know how hard poverty can be on one's health? Since the EPA believes that the U.S. can go back to subsistence farming while maintaining a life expectancy of over 70 years, my guess is that the activist do not know.

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

archangel — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:56:47 -0000

http://www.earthjustice.org/

Hope that helps dear DQ

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:50:28 -0000

But a radical environmental group decided that this was not enough, so they sued to stop Chevron.

Earth Justice? Radical?

so you're a radical if you go to court and defeat a multinational conglomerate.

What are you if you stand in front of the plant waving placards?
What are you if you boycott the company? encourage other people to boycott the company?
What are you if you blow up parts of the plant? what are you if you kill people who work for the company? about the executives?

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:01:39 -0000

A link to their website would be nice...

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

archangel — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:58:32 -0000

http://www.earthjustice.org/

I think this is the right one DQ. There were several groups who enjoined to push Chevron back from their project.

Hope this helps your inquiry

dr.e
assistant editor, columnist TMV

Re: Environmentalism Trumps Jobs

Don Quijote — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:01:39 -0000

A link to their website would be nice...

It 'll give the rest of us to see how radical they really are.