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Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

kritt11 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:26:08 -0000

Jim S--- exactly.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

archangel — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:39:00 -0000

Amen, Jim_Satterfield. Amen.

dr.e

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Jim_Satterfield — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:32:50 -0000

Actually I like to ignore hateful hyperpartisans on either side of the spectrum. You only have to read daveinboca's attack on me and on Joe to understand why. Extremists of any kind tend to hyperventilate and exaggerate. There's lots of emotion involved, much of it negative.

As I said in my earlier post I have lots of problems with how Tony Snow did his job, because it came down to lying to the American people in the name of our current President all too often. But I'd never wish the suffering he's gone through or the pain of his family on someone because of those kind of political differences. Just as I disagreed with Reagan and his worshippers but never felt anything but sympathy for what he and his family had to be going through in his later years.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

kritt11 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:39:37 -0000

Weightman said:

'Partisanship should cease at the cemetery gates. You only diminish yourself by disparaging good people who didn't happen to share your political principles.'

I absolutely agree with this. It is petty and meanspirited to celebrate the death or illness of a political opponent. But, at the same time, I'm not going to say that I thought he contributed to the nation's well-being, because that would be a lie.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

kritt11 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:35:12 -0000

mikkel- Yes they had a different approach. But, I still hold Snow responsible IF he knew that he was helping to deceive the public in order to sell the Bush/Cheney agenda. The WH is not a cable news show, so as entertaining as he was, Snow's approach was more reprehensible than McClellan's. But, I do agree with you that, McClellan should have spoken out sooner. Even so, better late than never.

As I said earlier, I wish death on no one regardless of their political affiliation, (even Karl Rove-- though I think his rear end should be sitting in a prison cell, lol). Tony Snow was too young to die, and he was a father and son. I think his technique was brilliant, but it did not benefit the public interest, as he tended to deflect inquiries from the press, when they got too close to the truth.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Don Quijote — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:20:24 -0000

Mr Satterfield would never comment about the hatred displayed by specimens of viciousness like Dr. donkey & DonQuixote because partisan hatred of the BDS variety is okay on the left, but is not okay if it comes from the right? Hmmm...... Very thoughtful.

You sow the wind you reap the whirlwind, all you right-wing nuts spent the nineties doing everything you could to destroy the Clinton Administration and you succeeded, then in 2000 through a Judicial coup, you shove the retard in that is currently in the White House down the Countries Throat. Had Gore won ( and he did) and made it to the White House, you would have spent the 00's destroying his administration.

And it's not BDS to observe that under the administration of the Retard, the US has managed to lose two wars despite having a military budget that half of the worlds military budget, that the constitution was used as toilet paper, that the US now officially endorses torture, that the US Dollar has lost 50% of it's value, that median wages are down and that we are now facing the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression.

And the "lies" that Tony Snow was telling, care to delineate them, or are you satisfied in your smug way that you've read a couple of books & know better?

The many falsehoods of Tony Snow
Even more Tony Snow falsehoods

Gandelman may be moderate by Kossack standards, but he is a sock puppet for Obama & that's okay for guys who call honest men like Tony Snow "a paid liar."

If you work as a press secretary for the Bush Administration you are a paid liar, if you have any doubts, Scott McClellan- What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception

What about Kerry & countless other moonbat lefties who lie ceaselessly about process crimes & countless nonsensical absurdities like Plamegate?

Process Crimes are crimes, Plamegate was a scandal and had it occurred under a Democratic Administration, it would have been used to impeach that president.

And the example given about Ted Kennedy is hardly the obscene hate-filled spew that libtards vomit on-line about Tony Snow..... The psycho-lefties simply project their own dishonesty onto their opponents

No, it's just a reflection of all the crap you right-wingers have been spewing at us for the last thirty years, there is no point being nice, polite or civil with you people, since you will take it as a sign of weakness. Right-wingers, like all bullies only start acting civilized after they have had their teeth kicked in. The real problem is that the moderates and most elected democrats haven't figured that out yet.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

archangel — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:59:47 -0000

Dear Daveinboca, with all respect to you, I have asked politely that commenters refrain from attacking the writer or one another. Please stay with the topic. I'd appreciate it. Calling Joe or other people names isnt staying with the topic at hand. I hope not to have to say anything more about this matter.

dr.e

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

daveinboca — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:19:54 -0000

Mr Satterfield would never comment about the hatred displayed by specimens of viciousness like Dr. donkey & DonQuixote because partisan hatred of the BDS variety is okay on the left, but is not okay if it comes from the right? Hmmm...... Very thoughtful.

And the "lies" that Tony Snow was telling, care to delineate them, or are you satisfied in your smug way that you've read a couple of books & know better?

Gandelman may be moderate by Kossack standards, but he is a sock puppet for Obama & that's okay for guys who call honest men like Tony Snow "a paid liar." What about Kerry & countless other moonbat lefties who lie ceaselessly about process crimes & countless nonsensical absurdities like Plamegate?

And the example given about Ted Kennedy is hardly the obscene hate-filled spew that libtards vomit on-line about Tony Snow..... The psycho-lefties simply project their own dishonesty onto their opponents.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

ChrisWWW — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:15:24 -0000

It seems a little crazy to get worked up over Tony Snow. He wasn't the definition of evil. Anybody that wants to pretend he was is giving the late Mr. Snow far too much credit.

He was an administration mouthpiece. That's all. While the administration has made lives worse for thousands of Americans and people worldwide, I don't think Tony Snow had effect one way or the other.

In fact, the worse thing I can say about Tony Snow is that I was always disappointed when I saw he was hosting the O'Reilly Factor instead of BillO. Tony just wasn't as entertaining :-)

Anyways, RIP Mr. Snow.

And a word for the bombthrowers: save your wrath for unrepentant a**holes like Helms.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Marlowecan — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:12:29 -0000

Dr. E said: "...but looking at the rest of the article filled with words of much praise, I dont believe it was used this way here today."

I would agree.

Of course, I can't read J.G.'s mind...but Dr. E's reading was the one I took from Joe's words in sum.

Also, I would like to add, that I like The Moderate Voice.
It is one of the few (...is it the only...) site in the blogosphere where all ideologies meet and argue.

Yes, there is a liberal slant in general among the writers. But this can be invigorating to read sometimes. Snorting as I look at the screen over morning coffee, and then banging away on the keys.

I also enjoy Joe G's side-line love of the History of Comedy, and his posting of YouTube classics.

Anyhow, just my two cents.

Everyone can go back to their bomb throwing . . . .

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

archangel — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:54:18 -0000

nota bene: As you all know many words in modern English can take on a colloquial meaning that is different than the etymological root/ meaning of the same word. I truly love the etymology of words, and as an autodidact as a child, spent much time studying 'the story within the story' of many words.... even though I sometimes misuse words without meaning to, today... as English is not my first language... sometimes I think it was pig-Latin.

The word "Slick" actually means smooth, to be without rough edges, polished in that sense, or without snags, to flow . TO be urbane, well organized. The word slick, at least in terms of the way a productivity-based culture would see it, is weighted to the positive.

I know a good many slick authors in my line of work; you have likely seen them on BookTV, who flow with ease, always ready, polished and never without a ready comment... not like myself and many other authors who sometimes sit there looking either like fawns in the headlights, or else need time to drop the bucket into the well and bring up something from the underground water that might be useful.

Slick: Old Norse, it is said, for sleek. Also smooth.

I cant mind-read our writers, but I believe this is the intent Joe meant. I know what you are saying that there's another form of the word in common usage that means shallow, hackneyed, positioning. I could be wrong, but looking at the rest of the article filled with words of much praise, I dont believe it was used this way here today.

In any event, I hope Mr Snow's passing was painless (smooth in that sense) and that he was surrounded by much love.

dr.e

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archangel — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:10:50 -0000

Hi all you guys. Lively discussion, and your comments are appreciated and I can see that there are at least two or more sort of rough themes to this conversation;

--some commenters write to remark on the passing of Tony Snow and what that might mean, for his family and the press of times past, and that, to my two cents worth, is worthy commentary for a person who was a father, a husband, et al

--and some other commenters write to remark on something that, just my two cents worth, I think ought be discussed more rather than less... the state of information flow from our elected officials to us through the media pipeline; all of it: those who manage the flow controller valves at the top, the nature of what is put in, and the pipes that carry it, and the basins it's aimed at to refill, and which basins its diverted from chronically. And a number of etc's. I am sorry there is not a separate article at TMV today for you all to lay these particular issues out in full. I hope there will be in days to come.

And, regarding the 'posting comments rules' at TMV, as always, we ask you not to attack the writer, and not to attack each other, but to just stay with your take on the topic at hand.

Our Editor in Chief, Joe, is on the road, working hard in the huge heat and humidity of the midwest, and with cranky dial up at his motel. So, you get to hear from me. lol.

My regards to you all, and I'm not mom, just
Dr.E

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

kryon77 — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:03:32 -0000

Gandelman writes:

"Such is politics in the 21st century where the politics of compassion, joy and consensus have been denigrated by many who think if you disagree on policies you have to hate."

I agree.

One of the 1st to join in this denigration is Joe Gandelman, who took the opportunity of Tony Snow's death to describe him as "slick" (a euphemism for "dishonest"), and who said that Snow didn't leave his position as press secretary "with his reputation as pure as snow" (another euphemism for "dishonest" or "lacking in moral integrity").

Even on the day on Tony Snow's death, Gandelman could not resist sliming him personally, just because he disagreed with his politics. And all the while, sanctimoniously preaching against those who are doing the same, but who are more straightforward about it.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Don Quijote — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:33:04 -0000

If you have any examples of right wing comments on Kennedy, please bring them to our attention. It's fashionable to say "both sides do it", but it's just not true.

Conservatives Forum.com The #1 Conservatives Forum on Google.com

That was perhaps a bit hasty of me, wishing him ill.
On reflection, I agree with you and also hope he recovers.

I hope he recovers just long enough to realise he's at the back of the emergency room waiting line...with a hundred illegals ahead of him.

THAT WAS EASY!

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

jwest — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:57:20 -0000

Dymero,

When Kennedy's tumor was announced, I looked for hateful comments on the right wing blogs (along with the MSM, who would have loved find some).

Of course, there were none.

Conservatives aren't hate filled like liberals are. Our minds just don't work like that.

The internet never forgets. If you have any examples of right wing comments on Kennedy, please bring them to our attention. It's fashionable to say "both sides do it", but it's just not true.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Jim_Satterfield — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:30:48 -0000

Actually, Marlowe, my comment about hatred was aimed at what DaveInBoca and DLS are saying about this site and Joe.

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sh0ter — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:18:02 -0000

DLS,

Why would a doctor draw hatred on a political site?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Silhouette — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:55:23 -0000

Here's one of Tony Snow's interviews with Bill O'Reily...

Can't really figure out which democrat they're talking about in it...seems a little ominous...usually rumors about important people at least get mentioned...but everyone, even Snow, agreeing to stay silent about them?

(Couldn't be about Hillary because we all know they wouldn't hesitate to report trash about her. Who, who, who is it about and what?)

Maybe they're just waiting for the right time to report on it. Too bad Tony Snow won't be around to jump in once the signal is given..

"Anonymous people" my hiney...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

DLS — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:38:49 -0000

At least there isn't similar viciousness or even impatience expressed at the other death today (the 99-year-old, that's who).

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Michael Merritt — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:29:48 -0000

Actually, this site is probably pretty civil. I'm sure some others, like FDL and other really left wing sites, have a lot more vile.

Just as some of the more loonie right wing sites would if it were a liberal guy. Some of the stuff I saw when Ted Kennedy's tumor was announced was disgusting.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

christoofar — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:23:48 -0000

Sorry to hear of his untimely passing. 53 is just too damn young. Sad to see so much
vitrol being spewed here from both sides. A man died, his family is devastated.
isn't that enough?

Just another point headed "LeftLibber"

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Marlowecan — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:09:47 -0000

Wow. What a morning! You know, I think it is good that the worst comments AREN'T deleted.

I am sure there will be a wholesale cleanup by liberal moderators of their sites after the weekend, to make sure no one can ever prove that progressives took great glee in the death of Snow. I hope Google cache is doing its job, and recording for posterity this display of decency from the Liberal Left.

Ironic, no, that Sen. Obama -- who declares his wish to end toxic partisanship of the past -- is the Chosen One of these specimens?

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Don Quijote — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:02:41 -0000

Or in the case of the "less room in hell" comment, sheer mindless hatred.

It maybe hatred, but it ain't mindless.

Snow was a political mouth-piece on the right-wing propaganda network "Fox News" for many years, and a paid liar of the Bush administration.

He always seemed like he'd be a nice fun guy to be around.

That and $4.50 will get you a gallon of Gas.

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Marlowecan — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:59:30 -0000

Jim...I would ask you to go to Think Progress.

Snow is being compared to Joseph Goebbels...media enabler of Hitler, who is a leader in most sweepstakes for the greatest monster of human history.

Contrary to what Jwest notes above -- "A quick scan of the most popular liberal sites shows the moderators feverishly deleting the most disgusting comments." -- it seems liberal moderators have given up the ghost, and letting the full venom pour.

And we are "spewers of hate from the Right"?

When Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer, I felt badly. I didn't much care for him, but he contributed greatly to the United States, a nation he cared for I believe.

Partisanship SHOULD stop at the cemetary gates. Death will come for us all.

It is as John Donne said:

"Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee."

Re: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Dies

Jim_Satterfield — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:51:12 -0000

It's sad when someone passes under the circumstances of Snow's death. It is perfectly correct to feel for his family and friends. I know how he seemed on the air and he didn't seem to be a really bad person. Maybe as long as politics were avoided if you disagreed with him he was everything good that so many will point out. But Snow was a political partisan. I'm not about to make comments about him winding up in Hell or anything else so extreme. I don't agree with them or feel that they accomplish anything. But I will point out some facts that the spewers of hate from the Right seem to be conveniently ignoring.

It is not simple disagreement with his views that cause me to think that he will receive praise that he is not due on any occasion, even his death. It is not simple ideological disagreement that causes much of the condemnation of Snow that will be heard. It is that Snow lied continuously and incessantly to the American public as part of his job as Bush's press secretary. He did so willingly and enthusiastically. He did not care one whit about what it meant to the country, much like his employer. Since it was a Republican administration doing it it could be justified. Ideology uber alles was his life, much as it is for everyone in the Bush White House and the majority of his appointees in government. Those facts will be denied by Marlowecan, DaveInBoca, jwest and their fellow Republicans and Republican sympathizers. Why? Because they are so very much like Mr. Snow and his fellows that try to pass for conservatives nowadays.