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Re: Furor Swirls Around Liberal New Yorker’s Caricature Of Obama Cover

pressdigital — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:54:11 -0000

There you can support the most outlandish claims imaginable about Obama and Michelle. Where you one of the people who believed Larry Johnson that the infamous "Whitey" video would be released in days?

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Re: Furor Swirls Around Liberal New Yorker’s Caricature Of Obama Cover

StockBoySF — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:59:04 -0000

I actually enjoy the cover- great satire! While I do worry worry about misrepresentations of Obama in the press and how some people believe trash, I don't see why there can't be satire, etc. out there that appeals to me and others who appreciate this. Some people get it, others don't.

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DLS — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:01:44 -0000

To date the furor remains childish.

Too childish and probably intellectually challenged [tm] to get past the cover...

http://www.newyorker.com/re...

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jdledell — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:13:13 -0000

Silhouette - Your trash about Obama, Sinclair etc belong on No Quarter where you can commiserate with fellow Hillary supporters who refuse to believe that she lost. There you can support the most outlandish claims imaginable about Obama and Michelle. Where you one of the people who believed Larry Johnson that the infamous "Whitey" video would be released in days?

If no such bi sexual revelation is ever made by reliable sources will you come on this forum and apologize? If it proves true, I will come here and apologoze to you.

Re: Furor Swirls Around Liberal New Yorker’s Caricature Of Obama Cover

JSpencer — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:35:20 -0000

ChrisWWW said: "If the masses are as ignorant as you as both think, then there is little hope for our country anyways."

The masses have always been information/comprehension challenged to various degrees, but that doesn't mean they should be encouraged in that direction.

Silhouette: All that impending Obama scandal "research", as exciting as it may seem, sends my crap detector into the redzone. I'll start taking it seriously when reliable sources do.

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Rambie — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:31:31 -0000

Ah Sil, another consipiracy theory. If I put up a YouTube video saying I'm McCain's illegitimate child will you believe it too?

There was nothing in that first article about a polygraph where did you pull that out from? The second link in a message forum talking about the YouTube video from the first link. Anyone can put a YouTube video up.

I wouldn't put it past anyone in this political environment to try and use this, so you may be right on that account. As the article stated, they used a similar tactic against the Clinton's for years.

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spooey — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:56:52 -0000

Hillary did it.

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slapper58 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:38:53 -0000

I understand that there’s a lot at stake in this upcoming election but to ascribe nefarious motives to Barry Blitt for what is clearly a satirical sketch is missing the point. When Obama became a serious contender for the presidency it was easy to foresee racism eventually rearing its ugly head but who could have figured on the insidious and ridiculous series of incidents: the lapel pin, the misquotes (whitey??, ashamed to be American??etc.), the photo of Barack in Muslim-ish garb, his name lovingly inflected by so many talk radio hosts; Barack HUSSEIN Obama, a “terrorist” fist bump. This crap has been going on for months now but this drawing has succeeded in raising the ire that those other examples failed to do.
This is satire and it speaks to a truth that is the baseless insinuations raised by those opposed to Obama. It’s so much easier to focus on this meaningless surface stuff than the real issues as though this drawing will change peoples minds when push comes to shove.
All the racist assertions Blitt has depicted are already out there, even in mainstream media pulpits, and the cover merely groups them together as if to shine a bright light on the lunacy that too often goes unnoticed.
I’m sure Obama gets this as do those responsible for the website he set up to fight such underhanded attacks.
Blitt was defending the Obamas and mature political discourse. Everybody should ease up on the vitriol and start focusing on the important matters that concern us all.

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DLS — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:29:29 -0000

Guerrilla, sorry.

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DLS — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:29:12 -0000

"I especially liked Michelle Obama a la Angela Davis, complete with an early 70s radical 'fro."

I liked the guerilla gear and the Castro-like fatigues.

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DLS — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:28:14 -0000

"They missed the flag pin."

Look in the fireplace. [grin]

* * *

"I'd be funny if next month they do one on McCain. I'm sure DLS and others will think it's just as funny then too. "

I would. Looking in a mirror and seeing Bush; a stereo playing Bomb Iran; I can't think of anything else offhand.

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katiec — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:41:34 -0000

The New yorker went over the line. This is not funny and not entertainment.
The problem is too many idiots and radicals will wallow in this
mudslinging.
With the importance of this upcoming election an extreme of this kind
is not only horrible but irresponsible.
One thing they did was manage to get attention. Maybe that is what
they were after.

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daveinboca — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:18:35 -0000

I subscribe to TNY & not just for the cartoons----Gopnick, Packer et al. are among the best & Hertzberg has e-mailed me over an issue. But this cover demonstrates that the Upper West Side is occasionally clueless about the great unwashed majority out there who will see the cover on cable & network news & simply say to themselves that Obama rhymes with Osama & Michelle is a closet Ayers.

I want to see Remnick on Olberman explaining this one away----that will be a classic.

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Silhouette — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:09:12 -0000

Less mysterious?

It's been on the internet for awhile but here you go.. http://www.americanfreepres...

I don't recommend everyone read this. It's a bit disturbing and not wholly proven true, although a polygraph test does seem to indicate that it is. Polygraphs can sometimes fail.

I first saw a discussion of it here: http://houseofpolitics.com/... and I categorically dismissed it at first and refused to join in the conversation. But as I looked into it one day it was like opening pandora's box. Once you look at this stuff it's hard to immediately dismiss.

Then I plugged it in to the Obama Trap that I know the GOP has planned for just after the Denver convention. I originally thought they would use how Obama exterminated competition from the Chicago Senate race to try to destroy him. After viewing the O'Reily/ Snow youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watc... it has become apparent they have something else far more sinister to use against him.

That's why The New Yorker cartoon pales in comparison.

Again, I don't recommend that everyone read this stuff. It is quite graphic and disturbing..don't say you weren't warned..

Re: Furor Swirls Around Liberal New Yorker’s Caricature Of Obama Cover

runasim — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:55:15 -0000

Chris, said:
"It seems like you're assuming the job of the New Yorker is to get Obama elected" in reaction to

what I said: " I defend the right to offend via satire.and on purpose"
Which word in that sentence wasn't clear?

I just don't like the idea of airheads making the decision to offend or not, regardless of what their decision is.

Is this still confusing?
Okay, let me put it this way.
i would have the same reaction if Limbaugh, Rove or Bush were satirized. I'm just comforted by the idea that decisons are being made by intelligent people.
Call it a personal vice, if you want.

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ChrisWWW — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:19:30 -0000

But to profess ignorance that they are what they are displays a level of disonnect that is frightening in people who are, after all, in the business of getting their message out, whatever the message is.

It seems like you're assuming the job of the New Yorker is to get Obama elected.

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runasim — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:13:35 -0000

"If the masses are as ignorant as you as both think, then there is little hope for our country anyways."

Maybe. and maybe the masses should be ignored.
But to profess ignorance that they are what they are displays a level of disonnect that is frightening in people who are, after all, in the business of getting their message out, whatever the message is.

i defend the right to offend via satire.and on purpose.
I shudder at the thought of influential people being unaware of what they're doing.

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Rambie — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:09:11 -0000

Dave Schuler, Rush Limbaugh, some on Fox News, CNN, and others have alleged everything depicted into this satire cartoon and some others that were missed as mentioned above. During the PRIMARY these were used by supporters of other candidates and I'm sure if I looked I could find some die hards on the Republican side that don't like McCain.

I find this cartoon funny but I can see how it could, and probably will, be used by opponents of Obama. I'd be funny if next month they do one on McCain. I'm sure DLS and others will think it's just as funny then too.

Jumping on this right away I think is smart, getting it out where more people will see it now for what it really is, satire, will make it harder for others to use for attacks on Obama. I'm sure there will be some who still do.

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AustinRoth — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:07:32 -0000

I think Karl Rove was behind it.

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ChrisWWW — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:59:11 -0000

But to profess ignorace of the consequences is inexcusable, unless they're living on a different planet.

To the extent that it encourages among such folks (however unintentionally) a seriously warped representation of the Obamas, it hardly takes a genius to understand the negative reactions.

If the masses are as ignorant as you as both think, then there is little hope for our country anyways.

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runasim — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:50:20 -0000

The New Yorker expects people harboring 9/11 conspiracies or those that still believe Iraq attacked us on 9/11 to gett the satire?

More than the cartoon, (free press, you know) I'm offended by the lame excuses and idiotic reasoning. They have a right to satirize any way they want and to disregard consequences. But to profess ignorace of the consequences is inexcusable, unless they're living on a different planet.

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JSpencer — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:46:30 -0000

Silhouette, since I'm not a journalist (and therefore not privy to this shocking revelation) maybe you can be a bit less mysterious about what you're referring to. Otherwise it's easy to view this as another pitch for buyers remorse on the part of a Hillary supporter. In otherwords, if you believe there is substance to the "revelation", then don't be coy about it.

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T-Steel — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:39:49 -0000

I think the cover is funny. My former Black Panther parents thought so too. :-)

There is a far more insidious cartoon that they could've published that really would've undermined Obama a bit more. And from the accounts I've read these allegations have a bit more teeth. However they are of such a nature that The New Yorker couldn't have printed it. More like Hustler.

Silhouette, what's the good word on Obama's "scandals" from the No Quarter Left? If it's fit for Hustler, then bring it on. I'm always ready for a good laugh and some skin.

Whatever...

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Silhouette — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:22:09 -0000

And this story has been "in play" [not apparently mere rumor] since the earliest months this year, and apparently "everyone in journalism knows about it".

It makes what Bill Clinton did pale in comparison, and he was impeached for that marital infraction. This allegation carries a bit more....um... Well let's just say it's so very stunning that no one here would believe it until it is organized and produced for us just after August to air, well, pretty much everywhere since "everyone in journalism knows it's in play". Why are they waiting? To make sure Obama is the official democratic nominee.

If it's true I think we should concede right now to McCain and use the money we'll save for charity.

Re: Furor Swirls Around Liberal New Yorker’s Caricature Of Obama Cover

JSpencer — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:54 -0000

Most folks who visit TMV on a regular basis will recognize this as satire, but how about average folks of average sensibilities who will see the cover and take it at face value? To the extent that it encourages among such folks (however unintentionally) a seriously warped representation of the Obamas, it hardly takes a genius to understand the negative reactions. I also suspect that if I was a black American, I might be especially put out by this depiction.