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Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

Gegenschattenbild — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:46:26 -0000

So affairs just "happen" to "like 50% of married men?" I think it&#39s best to use the active voice as much as possible. Let&#39s try "Like 50% of married men have affairs." Not great, but it surely reflects the fact that affairs don&#39t just "happen to" people...

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

D. E.Rodriguez — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:23:24 -0000

Good points, DG.

However, did Jefferson preach and beat Republicans over the head with "Thou shall not stash bundles of cash in the freezer?", or did he introduce anti-stashing-cash in the freezer legislation?

Or, did Burris preach and beat Republicans over ther head with "Thou shall not sell a seat in the U.S. Senate to the highest bidder?"

etc., etc.

Thanks for the comments

Dorian

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

DaGoat — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:39:39 -0000

That Ensign is a hypocrite is without question, and hypocrisy seems to be the highest sin one can commit in the eyes of Democrats. When you throw sex into it the result is a series of gleeful posts from the predominately left-leaning staff here at TMV. And yes the GOP was just as gleeful when it was Clinton who couldn&#39t keep his pants zipped.

The thing is this type of gotcha political debate really isn&#39t very productive. There are certainly worse Republicans than Ensign - I would mention Don Young and Ted Stevens off the top of my head. And there&#39s a slew of questionable Democrats who rarely get mentioned in here - Jefferson, Burris, Dodd, Murtha, Rangel, Mollohan, etc.

The old saying "sex sells" still holds true I guess.

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

Tomasian23 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:18:03 -0000

Affairs happen to like 50% of married men, but is that really an excuse? Everyone’s doing it so I will too. It’s no big deal…. Well, it is when you&#39re in the public eye and have people at C-street involved in paying off the affair, encouraging the end of the affair, keeping it a cover-up

Ensign shouldn’t have stood on such a moral high ground if he couldn’t follow his own advice. Of course there’s going to be backlash. Like Rachel Maddow said: “A politicians affair becomes newsworthy if that politician has built his or her career on the basis of his or her own superior personal morality on crusading against the perceived immorality of the rest of us rabble.”
http://www.newsy.com/videos/ensign_affair_devil...

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

SteveK — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:04:56 -0000

Thanks for the link AlwaysOptimistic. Quit an informative, question raising twelve minutes by the always open minded Rachael Maddow.

I always thought John Ensign looked familiar (pun intended) but as "The Family" considers itself Mafia Christianity I looked at Ensign again and I swear he looks a lot like another John... John Gotti.

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

AlwaysOptimistic — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:37:33 -0000

What should be important to us is not who these people are sleeping with, but their connections to secret religious organizations like "The Family". Ensign and several other Republican Congressmen are living at a "C Street" residence that is owned by this organization and is registered as a "church", with all the tax exemptions that go with that title.

We should be demanding "separation of church and state" from our political leaders.

More on "The Family":

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

Dorian — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:23:24 -0000

Good points, DG.

However, did Jefferson preach and beat Republicans over the head with "Thou shall not stash bundles of cash in the freezer?", or did he introduce anti-stashing-cash in the freezer legislation?

Or, did Burris preach and beat Republicans over ther head with "Thou shall not sell a seat in the U.S. Senate to the highest bidder?"

etc., etc.

Thanks for the comments

Dorian

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

$199537 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:39:39 -0000

The thing is this type of gotcha political debate really isn't very productive. There are certainly worse Republicans than Ensign - I would mention Don Young and Ted Stevens off the top of my head. And there's a slew of questionable Democrats who rarely get mentioned in here - Jefferson, Burris, Dodd, Murtha, Rangel, Mollohan, etc.

The old saying "sex sells" still holds true I guess.

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

Tomasian23 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:18:03 -0000

Affairs happen to like 50% of married men, but is that really an excuse? Everyone’s doing it so I will too. It’s no big deal…. Well, it is when you're in the public eye and have people at C-street involved in paying off the affair, encouraging the end of the affair, keeping it a cover-up

Ensign shouldn’t have stood on such a moral high ground if he couldn’t follow his own advice. Of course there’s going to be backlash. Like Rachel Maddow said: “A politicians affair becomes newsworthy if that politician has built his or her career on the basis of his or her own superior personal morality on crusading against the perceived immorality of the rest of us rabble.”
http://www.newsy.com/videos...

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

SteveK — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:04:56 -0000

Thanks for the link AlwaysOptimistic. Quit an informative, question raising twelve minutes by the always open minded Rachael Maddow.

I always thought John Ensign looked familiar (pun intended) but as we find that the C Street "Family" considers itself the Mafia of Christianity I took a second look at Ensign and he looks a lot like another John... John Gotti.

Re: Gail Collins, John Ensign, and Family Values

MostlyOptimistic — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:37:33 -0000

We should be demanding "separation of church and state" from our political leaders.