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Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

DLS — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:49:49 -0000

I don&#39t believe homosexuality is a choice, but is formed in the womb in place of conventional development.

It&#39s old, but still good: Consider the logic of adolescence and young adulthood for gays. Do you really think it&#39s a choice that they would not only want to differ from the mainstream but deliberately seek such differentiation and the abuse that has long accompanied it?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

Gegenschattenbild — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:21:39 -0000

Father_Time, thanks for your comments, but they don&#39t make sense. You list race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, and age as being without choice. When did you choose to be straight? If you can describe the process you went through to choose to be straight, I might believe you. But no one I know has ever described to me that process, and indeed, I cannot either.

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

Father_Time — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:35:37 -0000

Sexual Preference is by definition a choice.

Race has no choice. Gender has no choice. Ethnicity has no choice. National origin has no choice. Age has no choice.

Therefore, IMO, gay civil rights should have limits and should NOT have all the civil rights and protections afforded other civil rights litigants.

Having said that, cultural oppression is wrong. Intentionally harming people physically, mentally, or financially because of their sexual preference is wrong.. There is no reason that same sex marriage should not be allowed to exist with the full legal privileges afforded opposite sex couples. Where same sex couples, or, anybody for that matter, should choose to live, certainly should never be restricted.

Religious preference has civil rights protections also, but their are restrictions because religion is indeed a choice. People cannot force their religious culture upon others. As well, people’s sexual preference and the culture associated, should not be forced upon anybody else. This is cultural suppression and it is problematic in general, but must be allowed to a point, so that all people whom are emphatically culturally opposed can be reasonably free from the culture that offends them.

So what I think should be asked of gay rights advocates is; How far do you expect to take Gay/Lesbian/Transgender civil rights? In the end, what are the specifics that you want protected rights to give you?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

GeorgeSorwell — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:25:34 -0000

When bigots "come out" will people punish them with freedom of speech?

Who are we to say that they don&#39t have every right to expose their own hatred?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

DLS — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:49 -0000

I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, but is formed in the womb in place of conventional development.

It's old, but still good: Consider the logic of adolescence and young adulthood for gays. Do you really think it's a choice that they would not only want to differ from the mainstream but deliberately seek such differentiation and the abuse that has long accompanied it?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

Father_Time — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:35:37 -0000

Sexual Preference is by definition a choice.

Race has no choice. Gender has no choice. Ethnicity has no choice. National origin has no choice. Age has no choice.

Therefore, IMO, gay civil rights should have limits and should NOT have all the civil rights and protections afforded other civil rights litigants.

Having said that, cultural oppression is wrong. Intentionally harming people physically, mentally, or financially because of their sexual preference is wrong.. There is no reason that same sex marriage should not be allowed to exist with the full legal privileges afforded opposite sex couples. Where same sex couples, or, anybody for that matter, should choose to live, certainly should never be restricted.

Religious preference has civil rights protections also, but their are restrictions because religion is indeed a choice. People cannot force their religious culture upon others. As well, people’s sexual preference and the culture associated, should not be forced upon anybody else. This is cultural suppression and it is problematic in general, but must be allowed to a point, so that all people whom are emphatically culturally opposed can be reasonably free from the culture that offends them.

So what I think should be asked of gay rights advocates is; How far do you expect to take Gay/Lesbian/Transgender civil rights? In the end, what are the specifics that you want protected rights to give you?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

GeorgeSorwell — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:25:34 -0000

When bigots "come out" will people punish them with freedom of speech?

Who are we to say that they don't have every right to expose their own hatred?

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

Silhouette — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:06:38 -0000

Yes, LGBT people know it, but do the polygamists. And do polygamists "come out" as well? If so, will people punish them with bigotry and prejudice?

They are consenting adults in love. Who are we to say that they don&#39t have a place in "LGBT". Properly, it should at least read "LGBTP". The other fetishes will have to get in line. Polygamists have been praying for legal rights to marry much much longer than same-gender fetishes..

Re: Gay Political Rights Lag Behind Culture

Silhouette — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:06:38 -0000

Yes, LGBT people know it, but do the polygamist?. And do polygamists "come out" as well? If so, will people punish them with bigotry and prejudice?

They are consenting adults in love. Who are we to say that they don't have a place in "LGBT". Properly, it should at least read "LGBTP". The other fetishes will have to get in line. Polygamists have been praying for legal rights to marry much much longer than same-gender fetishes..