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Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Rudi — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:10:31 -0000

These "honor killings" can be counted on one hand. Why does the Meme crowd twist their diapers over a non story.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

rudi — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:10:31 -0000

These "honor killings" can be counted on one hand. Why does the Meme crowd twist their diapers over a non story.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Father_Time — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:25:52 -0000

One in America is too many. Hindi or Muslim or whatever. Used to be Christians could kill their bride if she was not a wedding night virgin. Our culture is modernizing, these dirty cultures are not. They will by force in America. Period.

You lose.

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Father_Time — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20:50 -0000

Seems like you are side stepping the primary issue and thereby protecting immigrant honor killing murders. Anything for a political attack.

You don’t care what you are talking about.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:35:18 -0000

Just another dirty Arab story, but where&#39s the outrage over 5000 dowry killings in India.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iQzwwzBYGDkC&p...
The country with the largest Muslim population dosen&#39t have a problem with honor killings, dowry murders or flogging women:
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2008...
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2007...

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Father_Time — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:25:52 -0000

You lose.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Father_Time — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:20:50 -0000

Seems like you are side stepping the primary issue and thereby protecting immigrant honor killing murders. Anything for a political attack.

You don’t care what you are talking about.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:53:26 -0000

Lets call out the brutal Fundies:
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/SeanPaddock.html
http://open.salon.com/blog/anthony_elmore/2009/...
http://talk.thinkingmatters.org.nz/2009/christi...

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:42:42 -0000

What is the actual number of honor killings in the US? Is the Meme and Malkin crowd just blowing HotAir...

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Davebo — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:10:38 -0000

"In the United States today there are parents killing their children (usually daughters) for engaging in ‘dishonorable behavior’. One parent recently killed his child by running her over with his car."

Two murders and one attempted over several months. As opposed to 45 per day in the US on average.

Stop the presses indeed.

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roro80 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:46:40 -0000

shannonlee -- agreed, exactly.

Patrick -- Why isn&#39t this just a story about what happened, or even, since this is an opinion site, a story about your opinion about how the Muslim relgion lead to this (which seems to be what you&#39re implying), etc.? Why is this article focused on some perceived lack of media attention? It&#39s all over the blogosphere AND the major news sites/papers. If you were paying any attention, you&#39d realize that those of us who are active within groups that work to stop violence against women are *absolutely* condemning this action, the attitude toward women that lead to it, and so very many other stories that are similar -- in this country and in others. It&#39s offensive to try to use the horrific violence that young women face at the hands of their own families to try to make some point about the "PC liberal" media.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

shannonlee — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:24:40 -0000

the PC silence on the topic is disturbing.

Lets stop and think for just a second....

Islam isn&#39t the predominant religion in America, not even close. The reason most ant-religion rhetoric is towards Christianity is because it is the driving religion in America.

Also, if you&#39ve ever watched Bill Maher, you would know that he does his fair share of tearing into Islam.

You don&#39t know what you&#39re talking about.

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Frith_Ra — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:23:01 -0000

Murder is murder. Infanticide is murder, no matter what age the child is. A lot of kids, young adults, whatever, need to experiment & explore, most of them will make mistakes. A mistake should never be regarded as a capital offense rather, they are "learning experiences." When cultures & traditions intersect, there is more space for exploration & more room to learn in. Let the kids be kids, they will, if they were raised well, probably straighten up on their own when they see the why of their errors for themselves.

I have had to explain this to many Moslem parents, usually from back-country (in the old-country) families. It&#39s not easy to chisel out this sort of logic from a lifetime of contrary conditioning. I like to think that I may have saved a few lives by trying to do so. I don&#39t expect that I&#39ll ever know. The rest I can only pray for.

Shariah, as practiced, has too many capital offenses for this day & age. But people need to see this for themselves, we can&#39t tell them so unless & until they are willing to listen.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

AshenShard — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:10:47 -0000

Cannot force people to assimilate really, then would be telling them they have to be exactly like us. Instead, make it very clear that civil law is above religious law and what those laws are. In our country following religious law is a personal choice rather than a government imposed truth, and that despite the fact that something in ones chosen book may say such actions are necessary, in our country there are laws against murdering people, and against any actions that would infringe on any individuals freedoms.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:35:18 -0000

Just another dirty Arab story, but where's the outrage over 5000 dowry killings in India.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iQzwwzBYGDkC&p...
The country with the largest Muslim population(Indonesia) doesn't have a problem with honor killings, dowry murders or flogging women:
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2008...
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2007...

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VeratheGun — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:27:35 -0000

Amen, brother.

If you want to come to America, then acclimate--assimilate. We&#39re not going to tell you what religious beliefs to hold, but don&#39t bring that old world crap with &#39ya.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:53:26 -0000

Lets call out the brutal Fundies:
http://www.teenadvocatesusa...
http://open.salon.com/blog/...
http://talk.thinkingmatters...

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

rudi — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:42:42 -0000

What is the actual number of honor killings in the US? Is the Meme and Malkin crowd just blowing HotAir...

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Killadelphia — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:16:12 -0000

Finally, somebody else is actually noticing this.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Davebo — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:10:38 -0000

Two murders and one attempted over several months. As opposed to 45 per day in the US on average.

Stop the presses indeed.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

roro80 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:46:40 -0000

shannonlee -- agreed, exactly.

Patrick -- Why isn't this just a story about what happened, or even, since this is an opinion site, a story about your opinion about how the Muslim relgion lead to this (which seems to be what you're implying), etc.? Why is this article focused on some perceived lack of media attention? It's all over the blogosphere AND the major news sites/papers. If you were paying any attention, you'd realize that those of us who are active within groups that work to stop violence against women are *absolutely* condemning this action, the attitude toward women that lead to it, and so very many other stories that are similar -- in this country and in others. It's offensive to try to use the horrific violence that young women face at the hands of their own families to try to make some point about the "PC liberal" media.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Father_Time — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:32:57 -0000

There are consequences for allowing other cultures into the United States. It&#39s not just "let everyone join the great American melting pot and this is good"….BS.

We do not want to have parents and siblings honor killing family members in the United States. We must, at the very LEAST, require those begging to inter the U.S. to make written and verbal condemnations of this ridiculous practice. If not then “see ya”, have a nice life elsewhere. If they agree and make the commitment but kill a family member anyway, then mandatory death penalty! Anyone making the threat, immediate deportation and persona non grata for ever.

It is stupid to put up with crap like this.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

shannonlee — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:24:40 -0000

the PC silence on the topic is disturbing.

Lets stop and think for just a second....

Islam isn't the predominant religion in America, not even close. The reason most ant-religion rhetoric is towards Christianity is because it is the driving religion in America.

Also, if you've ever watched Bill Maher, you would know that he does his fair share of tearing into Islam.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Re: Honor Killings On The Rise, Media Response Seems Limited

Frith_Ra — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:01 -0000

I have had to explain this to many Moslem parents, usually from back-country (in the old-country) families. It's not easy to chisel out this sort of logic from a lifetime of contrary conditioning. I like to think that I may have saved a few lives by trying to do so. I don't expect that I'll ever know. The rest I can only pray for.

Shariah, as practiced, has too many capital offenses for this day & age. But people need to see this for themselves, we can't tell them so unless & until they are willing to listen.

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Charles C. Evans, Jr. — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:10:47 -0000