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I really really agree with this JS....
I do not, however, agree that they should have just hopped on board and tried to make nice-nice.
They should have attacked this problem when THEY had the majority - but their pockets were being lined by the corporate interests that benefit from inaction.
NOW, we are stuck with a democrat plan whose corporate interests benefit the implementation of Public Healthcare. We traded one set of greedy self-supporting scumbags, for another set of greedy self-supporting scumbags.
If EITHER party was serious about the problems plaguing healthcare, they would have attacked the problems and regulated the industries that keep the cost high - to the benefit of the corporations and parties - and to the detriment of the American people......
Namely: Healthcare industry - insurance industry - trial lawyers - and pharmaceutical industry...
It's on to the Senate now
That world imply the existence of Republicans who gave a damn about something other than staring wars in which other people's children can be used as cannon fodder and cutting taxes on the wealthiest 5% of the American population.
That's a bit unfair to the Republicans. Yes, many many are like that, but many many are not. I'm a democrat, and supported both wars in the beginning. I was also willing to put my butt on the line to go over there and fight it - something few on either side of the aisle are willing to do. Although I do have respect for Biden and Palin (among others) who have children in harm's way in Iraq/Afghanistan. It keeps their mouths and policy in check when their own children may reap the benefit (or malevalence) of their actions.
At least at that point both parties realized their was some kind of problem. Both parties are at fault.
As for the ailing economy? None of us are seeing the sort of recovery we'd like, but let's remember the rate the economy was plunging (into a depression) when Obama took up the reins and how long it took to get that way. This is not a ship that will turn on a dime. Things could easily be worse had inaction been the course followed. We all like quick fixes, but guess what? It ain't gonna happen this time.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them bad.
Unemployment is over 10%. It wasn't supposed to get that high. TARP was supposed to fix that.
Meanwhile today may be the most important vote in Congress since the days of the New Deal. If the health care bill passes, it will fundamentally convert these United States into a different kind of popular democracy, which generally means rule by a unionized bureaucracy organized to vote. Once that much of the economy is run by government, economic recovery as many hope for will simply be impossible.
Permanent unemployment at 7% or so; median income perhaps 10% higher than it is now, but not much higher; and a long period of stagflation. Reluctance to take on new employees, and great incentive to export jobs. Is this a picture of the future? We will have to see, as Congress debates the health care and carbon tax bills.
One of the big debating points is over abortion. That is certainly in important moral point, but the creation of an enormous entitlement overshadows it. At least under this bill, illegal immigrants can't be jailed for not buying government approved health insurance. The rest of us can be. I have no idea what happens to those my age. I gather that it pretty well eliminates the Medicare Advantage that pays most of my Kaiser dues. This all promises to be interesting.
With Detroit a ruin and manufacturing industries on the ropes, small business is the only possible engine of recovery from what they don't call a Depression; so the Congress is going to add an 8% tax on employing people. We already have the longest period of increasing unemployment since the Great Depression; I presume we are going for a really big record setting period of increasing unemployment.
What incentives people have to invest and create new jobs in this environment is pretty murky now; with the health bill there will be fewer incentives to invest in new jobs in the US. The incentives are now to the job black market -- hire illegal immigrants who don't have to have health insurance -- or to export the job if that can possibly be done.
ht: Instapundit
Uncontrolled Capitalism’s goose is cooked. Have a slice and smile.
ht: Instapundit (again)
Interesting that you pick third world countries to make your point, not first, or, even second world nations which by using would destroy your point.
Alas, the mechanism of conservative propaganda is revealed. Can’t even get it past the six graders anymore. Must be why you are the minority. Please, join us and be happy! More Harleys in Europe than here! You will love it!
What?? Obviously you did not read the article, only my excerpt. It was talking about the previous major attempt at socialism (USSR), its failure, the fact that indeed those small countries are now trying it, and we seem to be headed down a somewhat similar path.
You really need to try and not beclown yourself so much via simple ignorance and laziness.
Alex Trebek: "Free" Healthcare paid for out of other people's wallet
Jeopardy Contestant: What is Pelosicare?
Although one could argue that if, as a number of conservatives do, you think government run health care is unworkable as a rule, then arguably there is no reason to work with the Democrats since they won't consider any package without it.
I do think the GOP could have worked more to solving the problem but the Democrats (at least in the House) have pretty much said public option or nothing so that does limit the ability of opponents of public option to work with them.
Personally I'm still on the fence on the whole subject.
Congratz to them. It's about time.
Its a shame 35 democrats voted against it, those are seats that will be harder for the GOP to take, the democrats who voted for it who are from moderate districts should fall much more easily in 2012, already widely believed to hold Republican gains instore, even by democratic strategists. Of course that Republican was from former democratic congressman and convicted felon William "Dollar Bill" Jefferson's former district which is overwhelmingly liberal.
As for the measure itself, the House lib Dems got their task accomplished, it's relief for them and for Obama, and now it puts pressure on the Senate. Then come those Senate-House negotiations. (The public option likely will survive if the Senate manages to support some kind of it in its own legislation, and then it will just be a matter of the final form it will take, in the conference legislation later, which is less important.)
"With Detroit a ruin" ... just wait until next year. Things have not bottomed yet. (Michigan has misspent stimulus money this year to fill in holes in the budget rather than face reality and make needed changes, and that includes stimulus money that would be otherwise used to fill in the much larger holes everybody expects to see materialize next year here in Michigan. Is this really the kind of behavior by state as well as by the federal government that people of which people approve, or even which people actually want?
No doubt at least some of them had fears for their re-election prospects, or misgivings or objections about the contents of the House bill, which is a reminder that it's not a rubber-stamp routine in the Senate that people should be expecting. The effort overall has regained some "momentum" due to the House lib-Dem victory, but the Senate is of another, fortunately more intelligent and mature, complexion.
Now we have the Senate. If it don’t pass there I can guarantee you there will be much fewer “blue dogs” after midterms. Republicans are irrelevant at this point.
Still though, the problem will not be solved until we have a full single payer cradle to grave national healthcare system just like the rest of the modern world. What a wonderful and patriotic accomplishment THAT will be!
Well, that's an odd statement, bro.
I would be willing to bet a paycheck that if you compared Tea Party participants to liberal demonstrations, you'd find that much more Tea Partiers have jobs than the liberals do. I could be wrong, of course, but it would be interesting to find out. I attended the Tea Parties, AND I have a well-paying job - in fact everyone I met was employed.
All I can say, is that it's much easier to criticize something when you know nothing about it.
Alas, nobody cares.
The New Deal was the best deal this country ever created. It actually saved capitalism. Without it, there would be a lot of dead capitalists and red flags flying around.
Besides, the addition of government jobs negates your premise. Deductions are taken from government jobs also. The state of our capitalism remains far to much uncontrolled capitalism, which is the very reason for our current economic woes. Out of control greed from undisciplined self serving capitalists.
The SSI coffers were robbed in 1965, under a Democratic president and Democratic congress.
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Reagan, by the way, made the biggest increases in welfare of any recent president, as a way of buying off the Democrats for his military spending. He should be your hero.
"The New Deal was the best deal this country ever created. It actually saved capitalism. Without it, there would be a lot of dead capitalists and red flags flying around."
I'll make some popcorn, please tell me the tale.
"Besides, the addition of government jobs negates your premise. Deductions are taken from government jobs also. The state of our capitalism remains far to much uncontrolled capitalism, which is the very reason for our current economic woes. Out of control greed from undisciplined self serving capitalists."
I know you're trying to say something, but somehow, I'm not able to pull an exact meaning out of it. If you're including the bipartisan repeal of Glass-Steagall being a big factor in this downturn, I'd have to agree. Ditto for them lobbying for laws that limit competition, protect industries from normal civil lawsuits, legalize deceptions, limit informed choices, and bail out failures. What kinds of laws do you want passed or repealed?
Business exists everywhere on the planet eons before the United States ever existed. It will exist forever. Separate business from capitalism and suddenly you understand where the excesses lay and why capitalism is now as redundant as Andrew Carnegie.