Unless I am misreading the article this is essentially saying that the army looked into allegations of its misconduct and decided it was innocent.
I'm sorry but any time any military does an "internal investigation" of alleged wrongdoing and discovers itself to be squeaky clean my BS meter posts. How about if some disinterested party, like the Red Cross or Amnesty International, takes a look at the facts.
jdledell
· 8 months ago
Holly - I can't believe you are this naive. I am in Israel right now, up because of jet lag, and here to celebrate Passover with all my relatives. As I mentioned before I have nephews in the IDF, one is a Captain in the Golani and the other is in the Givati. We have discussed the Gaza campaign extensively and while they did not witness personally the episodes cited by Danny Zamir, they saw and participated in plenty of action which comes as close to war crimes as they ever want to be.
Most typically, you could characterize the IDF as showing a callous disregard for civilian life. Examples would be coming into a town and designating a building or home for IDF survelliance purpose. First, tanks would shell each floor of the building. Then troops would enter and throw grenades into every room to make sure everyone was dead. One home that was so designated had a mother and a small boy peaking out a window, the commander then ordered the tank to blow that room up - killing the mother and a small boy and girl. In another instance, in a home the soldiers heard someone crying in a back room - they just opened the door a crack and threw two grenades in - killing a mother and her toddler.
The ROE during Operation Cast Lead was don't get killed or captured - anything else was golden. Red Crescent workers were shot at as they tried to pick up wounded - if it moved it was fair game, especially if was male. In one house they encountered an old woman holding a WWI rifle - protecting her daughter and grandchildren. They opened up and shot her full of about 100 rounds then arrested the daughter, leaving 5 children behind in the house with the oldest being about 9 or 10.
I know it is war and sh.. happens but even the IDF captain said this was different even from when he was in Lebanon in 2006. He is considering retiring after 17 years in the IDF. A huge portion of the IDF now comes from the settlements and most of them have chips on their shoulders and an absolute hatred of all things arab. This isn't the IDF my nephew once knew and was proud of. He is not anti-settler as he lives in Ariel (a side note- not one of my 35 relatives live in pre-67 Israel).
The word has come down from Ashkenazi himself - NO ONE TALKS about Gaza ever again except through his approved channels. The Hasbara is going to be the only voice heard from now on.
ChrisWWW
· 8 months ago
Shorter version: Military spokesman says military is great!
Silhouette
· 8 months ago
lol...that's very true...lol..
Wanton violence on behalf of anyone is morally repugnant. Israel will be judged accordingly whether or not it brings those responsible to justice. Things have a funny way of coming back to haunt people.. And who were those Israeli generals taking orders from right around just before Obama's inaugeration? I mean who were they really taking orders from? Maybe the two sets of war crimes aren't as far apart in origin as originally thought.
I still love Osama Bin Laden's command performance right on cue when people were criticizing Israel's attack. Imagine how convenient to spur support for Israel that was? Downright uncanny if you ask me...
I have a new name for Osama Bin Laden: "The GOP whip".
Silhouette
· 8 months ago
Ditto what Degrance said..
tbenyaacov
· 8 months ago
Where do you get this shit? Your words are very dangerous, and I would think that a Jewish person like yourself would know that. I served in the IDF and I know first hand that is NOT how we operate. You are being grossly naive about the power of incitement. You words sound strangely similar to anti-Semitic/anti-Israel left wing, Jew-defaming lies that the media twists. Don't compare us to other nations, and don't scapegoat us. We put up with belligerence that no other nation would, and at the same time act with self-damaging restraint. You show a total ignorance of history and the imminent threat of genocide that we face. Shame on you.
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I'm sorry but any time any military does an "internal investigation" of alleged wrongdoing and discovers itself to be squeaky clean my BS meter posts. How about if some disinterested party, like the Red Cross or Amnesty International, takes a look at the facts.
Most typically, you could characterize the IDF as showing a callous disregard for civilian life. Examples would be coming into a town and designating a building or home for IDF survelliance purpose. First, tanks would shell each floor of the building. Then troops would enter and throw grenades into every room to make sure everyone was dead. One home that was so designated had a mother and a small boy peaking out a window, the commander then ordered the tank to blow that room up - killing the mother and a small boy and girl. In another instance, in a home the soldiers heard someone crying in a back room - they just opened the door a crack and threw two grenades in - killing a mother and her toddler.
The ROE during Operation Cast Lead was don't get killed or captured - anything else was golden. Red Crescent workers were shot at as they tried to pick up wounded - if it moved it was fair game, especially if was male. In one house they encountered an old woman holding a WWI rifle - protecting her daughter and grandchildren. They opened up and shot her full of about 100 rounds then arrested the daughter, leaving 5 children behind in the house with the oldest being about 9 or 10.
I know it is war and sh.. happens but even the IDF captain said this was different even from when he was in Lebanon in 2006. He is considering retiring after 17 years in the IDF. A huge portion of the IDF now comes from the settlements and most of them have chips on their shoulders and an absolute hatred of all things arab. This isn't the IDF my nephew once knew and was proud of. He is not anti-settler as he lives in Ariel (a side note- not one of my 35 relatives live in pre-67 Israel).
The word has come down from Ashkenazi himself - NO ONE TALKS about Gaza ever again except through his approved channels. The Hasbara is going to be the only voice heard from now on.
Wanton violence on behalf of anyone is morally repugnant. Israel will be judged accordingly whether or not it brings those responsible to justice. Things have a funny way of coming back to haunt people.. And who were those Israeli generals taking orders from right around just before Obama's inaugeration? I mean who were they really taking orders from? Maybe the two sets of war crimes aren't as far apart in origin as originally thought.
I still love Osama Bin Laden's command performance right on cue when people were criticizing Israel's attack. Imagine how convenient to spur support for Israel that was? Downright uncanny if you ask me...
I have a new name for Osama Bin Laden: "The GOP whip".