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Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

ChrisWWW — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:41:14 -0000

Four more years! Four more years!

Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

Marlowecan — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:29:26 -0000

Pyronite: "Or are you just looking to take a potshot without having to put down a coherent viewpoint?"

I think it is wrong to take people's words out of context. Period. That is coherent, no?

I have defended Obama when his words were bizarrely twisted re: his grandmother, his daughters etc. (the last being particularly repugnant, I thought)

However, Obama repeatedly used the "100 years war" quote out of context. He has been called on it several times by reporters, who made the point that he was doing to McCain what Obama complained about. I posted a link to a video of this here...it has occurred serveral times since.

My point: Obama - or Springsteen - cannot make the "out of context" complaint when they repeatedly do not extend that courtesy to John McCain.

JanineDM: Yep, HRC has been using it. But most of her fire is for Obama these days. It is Obama who has been using it so often that reporters are now stopping interviews to call him on it. There was a YouTube of an Obama interview, on the Today show I think, of this occuring. It wasn't pleasant.

ChrisWWW: The larger quote has McCain saying that he is willing to stay in Iraq for a 100 years, with the qualification that Americans aren't getting killed.

Not a 100 years of Americans getting killed at the present rate.

Chris, you are right in your larger point about McCain's policy, I think.

But not about Obama's use of McCain's words. As Frank Rich said, it is a "bogus Democratic attack line".

Rich is no friend of the GOP. But when one is getting called on it by reporters whenever one uses the same attack line...it is time to retire it and move on.

Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

ChrisWWW — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:35:52 -0000

Marlowe,
Again, the larger context of the McCain quote...

A) ...makes no sense. Iraq is not S. Korea or Germany or Japan. A great many people in the Middle East aren't too happy about the idea of an ongoing U.S. military presence, especially one that reeks of an occupying force.

B) ...provides the same picture of McCain as the quote without the context. He has stated that we have to stay in Iraq to maintain our honor, fight terrorism, curb Iranian influence, etc. McCain has yet to provide a scenario in which our retreat would be necessary.

So, we are left with the conclusion that McCain doesn't know that people in the Middle East have a tendency to fly into our skyscrapers when our troops in their countries. And that there is no chance our troops will ever leave Iraq because the mission there is so important.

John "100 Years in Iraq" McCain sums that up pretty well.

Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

pyronite — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:10:40 -0000

It was ripped out of context, Marlowecan. When you read Obama's full response, it is clear that he is laying the blame on both political parties for causing voters to turn a blind eye towards economic promises on the stump. They are more likely to turn into single-issue (guns, anti-illegal immigration, anti-trade) voters when they believe the wider issues will never be addressed.

I'm still not totally sure what you're saying, though. Is it okay to take Obama out of context because you believe Obama took McCain out of context? Are you saying that Springsteen is right and it's wrong to take Obama out of context, just like it was wrong to take McCain out of context? Or are you just looking to take a potshot without having to put down a coherent viewpoint?

Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

janinedm — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:10:28 -0000

You know that Frank Rich column cites Hillary as doing the same thing? In the first paragraph of the story?

REALLY, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of themselves for libeling John McCain.

Of course you do.

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DLS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:09:22 -0000

"Nuanced and complex" -- [snicker]

Springsteen is just practicing Hollywood Entertainer PC "Social Consciousness," a criterion of excellence (sic; PC conformity) of among that crowd.

Maybe he's trying to get the next Nobel Peace Prize.

Re: Jig’s Up Hillary: Bruce Defends Barack

Marlowecan — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:24:40 -0000

Obama's line was "ripped out of context"??

Hmmm...sorta like how Obama kept ripping McCain's "100 year war" out of context...even AFTER being repeatedly called on it on network television...and AFTER that noted Republican neocon Frank Rich in the NYT denounced it as a "bogus Democratic attack line" and a "calumny".

Oh, I forgot..."Obama Rules": Obama and his surrogates can do or say anything about rivals...but how dare anyone do the same to them. Oh, the humanity....

I hope that the Boss will do the same sterling job for Obama in toasting HRC...that he did for Kerry in deposing Dubya.