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Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

lurxst — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:53:26 -0000

I think Carter has a remarkable grasp of the players involved and the sane, lifesaving steps that should be taken to peace. First a ceasefire.

Hamas is bad for Palestine but they are the only outlet for the people. The hatred of Israel is so generationally institutionalized that it will take great steps, and a few generations to change it. Unfortunately Israel&#39s heavy bootheel on Gaza has made it a miserable existance for the people and only strengthens Hamas influence. And they are a lot of people. I think there has to be a better resolution than some sort of dehumanizing genocide as suggested by DLS in order for there to be peace. Carter sees this.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

AustinRoth — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:23:50 -0000

"Nobody has shown hatred for Carter"

I do. I think he crossed the line from criticizing American actions to working directly against American interests years ago, and I am not even talking about Israel. I truly believe he is a paid foreign agent who will sell himself to any Leftist regime.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:42:03 -0000

There is nothing wrong with Carter&#39s contemporary attitude toward Israel&#39s actions relating to the Palestinians, so there is nothing to excuse or condone. You should *get real* and realize that criticizing Israel is not the same as hating Israel or being anti-Semitic.

We went through this same type of argument with the Iraq war and criticism of the United States&#39 actions there. Bush&#39s domestic army of bootlickers did their best to paint disagreement as unpatriotic and dangerous. The sycophants lost that argument, just like you&#39ll lose this one.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

DLS — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:28:58 -0000

Nobody has shown hatred for Carter, unlike what we see for Israel, Chris. Let&#39s _all_ get real, including _you_. (When I was in Atlanta, I visited the Carter Center and enjoyed it a great deal. But it doesn&#39t excuse Carter&#39s contemporary attitude toward Israel, nor justify the Nobel Left-Wing Loonie Celeb &#39Peace&#39 Prize Committee&#39s obvious slap at Politically Incorrect George Bush by awarding Carter one of its prizes much more recently than in the late 1970s. And as for the earlier peace agreement, did you join all the Arabs dancing openly with delight when they learned that Sadat had been assassinated? (And how about after the September 11 attacks?)

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:52:55 -0000

Also... let&#39s throw this out there...

If Holly lived in Gaza City or anywhere else under Israeli occupation and bombardment, she would not have written the ignorant and naive post above. Please, Holly, stop being manipulated by hawks and go plant a garden or something.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:50:28 -0000

Funny that there is all this hatred for Carter. He is, after all, the President responsible for brokering peace between Egypt and Israel.

That event has done more to secure Israel&#39s security and prosperity than all of these invasions of Gaza and Lebanon combined.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

lurxst — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:53:26 -0000

I think Carter has a remarkable grasp of the players involved and the sane, lifesaving steps that should be taken to peace. First a ceasefire.

Hamas is bad for Palestine but they are the only outlet for the people. The hatred of Israel is so generationally institutionalized that it will take great steps, and a few generations to change it. Unfortunately Israel's heavy bootheel on Gaza has made it a miserable existance for the people and only strengthens Hamas influence. And they are a lot of people. I think there has to be a better resolution than some sort of dehumanizing genocide as suggested by DLS in order for there to be peace. Carter sees this.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

Silhouette — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:55:19 -0000

OK, today&#39s the Sabbath...right now as I type this actually.. Just banning men under 50 from entering your temples isn&#39t going to save your souls "orthodox" jews!

Time to pay attention to Yahweh&#39s 10 GREATEST AND MOST POTENT laws from heaven. No killing, no false witness, no coveting, no breaking the Sabbath, no worshipping idols, relics and holy buildings carved from the earth instead of the unfathomable... and ad-libbing (men under 50...who are you kidding?) to make things nice-nice with God.

Forbidding young men from entering the temples is like a slap in the face to an already angry God. Live by your priciples and teach them to the young...don&#39t use the young&#39s souls to damnation to forward nefarious political schemes...!

Shame on you!

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

AustinRoth — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:23:50 -0000

"Nobody has shown hatred for Carter"

I do. I think he crossed the line from criticizing American actions to working directly against American interests years ago, and I am not even talking about Israel. I truly believe he is a paid foreign agent who will sell himself to any Leftist regime.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

DLS — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:58:38 -0000

[shrug] The anguish about the willingness (which is politically incorrect) of Israel (which is even more politically incorrect) to defend itself continues to be irritating and stupid, as is the anger and rage about Israel -- the party wholly in the right here, while the criminal actions of HAMAS, the party wholly in the wrong, have been neglected when not more frequently simply ignored (amounting to tacit approval and even encouragement). It&#39s no surprise that so much of the "new" as well as mainstream ("old") media predictably resembles der Sturmer.

The amount of howling about, and at, and hatred of, Israel is indicative of success as well as rightful decision-making. Go, Israel, go. Wipe out the terrorist vermin, destroy the tunnels, starve the Strip, beat the rats and roaches into submission if nothing else. Teach them the harsh lesson that has been long overdue. (And all they know or respect is suppression by force. They&#39re overdue for being put in a long-term condition of fear and intimidation as a maintenance strategy, for that matter.)

* * *

What intrigued me when thinking about it this morning was how "premature," tiny, and ineffective Hizballah was recently in Lebanon, and what it could or should do instead. If these guys were smart (even if it took countermanding or defying Iranian orders to do it), Hizballah should do _nothing_ until Israel was nearly totally committed in Gaza. Then it should launch rockets, not in a long series of launches over days, but launch multiple rockets all at once or nearly all at once. And given the huge stockpiles it possesses of rockets and other weapons, it should launch over a hundred rockets at the same time. Multiple hundreds, even a thousand or more rockets. Think of it -- a _thousand_ rockets launched from Lebanon into Israel at once. (Russia has a "relative" of Little Kate called "Grad," which means "hail" if I&#39m correct, as another of its multiple rocket launching systems. What a hail storm a thousand rockets at once would be! Ouch.) From fields, parks, other sites, all at the same time or nearly so. Then the terrorists could blend once more with the ordinary Lebanese civilians as if nothing happened. What could or would Israel do in response?

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:42:03 -0000

There is nothing wrong with Carter's contemporary attitude toward Israel's actions relating to the Palestinians, so there is nothing to excuse or condone. You should *get real* and realize that criticizing Israel is not the same as hating Israel or being anti-Semitic.

We went through this same type of argument with the Iraq war and criticism of the United States' actions there. Bush's domestic army of bootlickers did their best to paint disagreement as unpatriotic and dangerous. The sycophants lost that argument, just like you'll lose this one.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

DLS — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:28:58 -0000

Nobody has shown hatred for Carter, unlike what we see for Israel, Chris. Let's _all_ get real, including _you_. (When I was in Atlanta, I visited the Carter Center and enjoyed it a great deal. But it doesn't excuse Carter's contemporary attitude toward Israel, nor justify the Nobel Left-Wing Loonie Celeb 'Peace' Prize Committee's obvious slap at Politically Incorrect George Bush by awarding Carter one of its prizes much more recently than in the late 1970s. And as for the earlier peace agreement, did you join all the Arabs dancing openly with delight when they learned that Sadat had been assassinated? (And how about after the September 11 attacks?)

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

Rudi — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:24:59 -0000

At least Carter is only writing this drivel as a former POTUS. Benny Nut-in-Yahoo gave us his BS the other day, and he may very well be the next PM. I&#39ll take a wimpy ex-POTUS over a crazed future Israelis PM any day. At least Jimmy didn&#39t use phony Goodwin arguments.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:52:55 -0000

Also... let's throw this out there...

If Holly lived in Gaza City or anywhere else under Israeli occupation and bombardment, she would not have written the ignorant and naive post above. Please, Holly, stop being manipulated by hawks and go plant a garden or something.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

ChrisWWW — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:50:28 -0000

Funny that there is all this hatred for Carter. He is, after all, the President responsible for brokering peace between Egypt and Israel.

That event has done more to secure Israel's security and prosperity than all of these invasions of Gaza and Lebanon combined.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

CindyRoss — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:33:38 -0000

You might take a look at Glenn Greenwald&#39s recent articles. I find his logic compelling. From yesterday:

"The Israelis have deliberately made it impossible to know the full extent of the carnage and humanitarian disasters because they continue to prevent journalists from entering Gaza even in the face of a now week-old Israeli Supreme Court order compelling them to do so. According to Palestinian sources, there are now 700 dead Palestinians -- at least 200 of them children -- and well over 1,000 wounded. Those numbers are not seriously doubted by anyone. By comparison, a total of 10 Israelis have died -- 10 -- almost all of them by "friendly fire." The unusually worded Red Cross condemnation of Israel was prompted by its discovery, after finally being allowed into Gaza, of starving Palestinian children laying next to corpses, with ambulances blocked for days by the IDF. Even with the relative "restraint" Israel is exercising (the damage it could cause is obviously much greater), this is not so much of a war as it is a completely one-sided massacre."

Your criticism of Carter&#39s op-ed might be more persuasive if you cited specifics that you find inaccurate. Like many who read here and elsewhere, I rarely post, but my opinions aren&#39t fixed. I&#39m assurming your goal is not to preach to the choir so much as to influence the opinions of people like me.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

Silhouette — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:55:19 -0000

OK, today's the Sabbath...right now as I type this actually.. Just banning men under 50 from entering your temples isn't going to save your souls "orthodox" jews!

Time to pay attention to Yahweh's 10 GREATEST AND MOST POTENT laws from heaven. No killing, no false witness, no coveting, no breaking the Sabbath, no worshipping idols, relics and holy buildings carved from the earth instead of the unfathomable... and ad-libbing (men under 50...who are you kidding?) to make things nice-nice with God.

Forbidding young men from entering the temples is like a slap in the face to an already angry God. Live by your priciples and teach them to the young...don't use the young's souls to damnation to forward nefarious political schemes...!

Shame on you!

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

DLS — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:58:38 -0000

The amount of howling about, and at, and hatred of, Israel is indicative of success as well as rightful decision-making. Go, Israel, go. Wipe out the terrorist vermin, destroy the tunnels, starve the Strip, beat the rats and roaches into submission if nothing else. Teach them the harsh lesson that has been long overdue. (And all they know or respect is suppression by force. They're overdue for being put in a long-term condition of fear and intimidation as a maintenance strategy, for that matter.)

* * *

What intrigued me when thinking about it this morning was how "premature," tiny, and ineffective Hizballah was recently in Lebanon, and what it could or should do instead. If these guys were smart (even if it took countermanding or defying Iranian orders to do it), Hizballah should do _nothing_ until Israel was nearly totally committed in Gaza. Then it should launch rockets, not in a long series of launches over days, but launch multiple rockets all at once or nearly all at once. And given the huge stockpiles it possesses of rockets and other weapons, it should launch over a hundred rockets at the same time. Multiple hundreds, even a thousand or more rockets. Think of it -- a _thousand_ rockets launched from Lebanon into Israel at once. (Russia has a "relative" of Little Kate called "Grad," which means "hail" if I'm correct, as another of its multiple rocket launching systems. What a hail storm a thousand rockets at once would be! Ouch.) From fields, parks, other sites, all at the same time or nearly so. Then the terrorists could blend once more with the ordinary Lebanese civilians as if nothing happened. What could or would Israel do in response?

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

rudi — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:24:59 -0000

At least Carter is only writing this drivel as a former POTUS. Benny Nut-in-Yahoo gave us his BS the other day, and he may very well be the next PM. I'll take a wimpy ex-POTUS over a crazed future Israelis PM any day. At least Jimmy didn't use phony Goodwin arguments.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

CindyRoss — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:33:38 -0000

You might take a look at Glenn Greenwald's recent articles. I find his logic compelling. From yesterday:

"The Israelis have deliberately made it impossible to know the full extent of the carnage and humanitarian disasters because they continue to prevent journalists from entering Gaza even in the face of a now week-old Israeli Supreme Court order compelling them to do so. According to Palestinian sources, there are now 700 dead Palestinians -- at least 200 of them children -- and well over 1,000 wounded. Those numbers are not seriously doubted by anyone. By comparison, a total of 10 Israelis have died -- 10 -- almost all of them by "friendly fire." The unusually worded Red Cross condemnation of Israel was prompted by its discovery, after finally being allowed into Gaza, of starving Palestinian children laying next to corpses, with ambulances blocked for days by the IDF. Even with the relative "restraint" Israel is exercising (the damage it could cause is obviously much greater), this is not so much of a war as it is a completely one-sided massacre."

Your criticism of Carter's op-ed might be more persuasive if you cited specifics that you find inaccurate. Like many who read here and elsewhere, I rarely post, but my opinions aren't fixed. I'm assurming your goal is not to preach to the choir so much as to influence the opinions of people like me.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

AustinRoth — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:59:31 -0000

Sorry Holly, I have to disagree. Carter&#39s history shows he could write the same drivel if he was being actively raped by a Palestinian who was shoving a grenade up his butt. In fact, he would blame Israel for that as well.

Re: Jimmy, Shut-Up!

AustinRoth — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:59:31 -0000

Sorry Holly, I have to disagree. Carter's history shows he could write the same drivel if he was being actively raped by a Palestinian who was shoving a grenade up his butt. In fact, he would blame Israel for that as well.