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Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

runasim — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:25:47 -0000

No. DLS, you're fabricating again.
Afghanistan, by harboring bin Laden, was the point of origin for 9/11. To some of us, that still matters.
iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and that's where the opposition to the Iraq war begins.
We've been fighting the WOT all over the place, even at home, i.e. in all the wrong places. It's time someone got it right, and I just hope it's not too late.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

DLS — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:45:52 -0000

Neocon: Currently "anti-war" refers to war in Iraq and to opposing US and Western success there (because Bush is in the White House), not to all war and typically not to war in Afghanistan at all. Some of them would be upset if we eliminated the Taliban completely or worse, wiped out many of them after capturing or killing bin Laden, but many of them just hate the enterprise in Iraq (and Bush, of course).

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

DLS — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:43:27 -0000

Anyone who is neurotic about Gramm staying on McCain's team, feeling driven to point out that fact time after time, or make unsolicited critical or silly remarks about it, is at best a whiner and typically much worse. Proceed at your own losses.

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"Unfortunately, McCain's personal appreciation for Gramm has led him to believe that Gramm is some sort of economic mastermind."

Gramm has been correct about many economic things, at least what he says, but he is not a respectable authority given he has been too tainted with money and power centered in DC. Obama could exploit this to remind people that despite McCain's Dem Lite behavior and defiance of the GOP on many occasions, he is nevertheless still a "fixture" in DC, or still a part, quirky as he is, of the "establishment." (Obama will work with the Dem-DC establishment but he has a history of going his own way and normally working outside it, as exemplified in the recent New Yorker article.)

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" the left is not against war, the left is against illegal and irrelevant war, like the one in iraq."

This is just plain lefty-childish silliness. (Are you one of the impeachment loons?) And:

Skippy -- learn English. That includes proper capitalization. All lower case is for people with IQs below 50 and personal and character development to match. It is nose-picker behavior.

The mainstream media is liberal, not conservative, obviously (if one has at least normal intelligence, at least). They are conducting free Obama campaign operations.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

Neocon — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:15:10 -0000

So Skippy your saying that Barak Obama wants to fight a war. He plans on using troops and killing people and using our planes and bombing stuff. Is that right? That he plans to escalate in Afghanistan while drawing down in Iraq.

So let me get this straight so his base understands who they are voting for.

So all this time Barak Obama has had plans to escalate the war in Afghanistan?

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

skippy — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:59:37 -0000

neocon, your stereotypical image of the left is as thick as your head. the left is not against war, the left is against illegal and irrelevant war, like the one in iraq.

the left wants to see osama bin laden brought to justice. i suppose you think josef stalin is secretly running dkos too.

obama has not changed his position. he stated back in september of last year that a 16 month withdrawl is what he would implement if he was president.

it's the mmm and the right that extrapolated his position into an anti-war stance, and then extrapolated his reiteration of a 16 month time line into a pro-war stance, and then said he changed his position when he has not.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

Neocon — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:14:39 -0000

runasim do you seriously think, in your heart that the antiwar is going to let Obama fight a war in Afghanistan?

Ummm. No. Barak Obama ran on an antiwar platform until he got the nomination. Everyone knows it and for anyone to try to pretend otherwise is just flat out misrepresenting his message. So while Im sorry your heart is hardened again. Its the fact maam. Nothing but the facts and the people that truly look silly are the ones who are trying to convince us that Barak Obama did not run on an antiwar platform and that now those who are opposed to the war ar

So, then Belarus turns out to be located in McCain's campaign headquarters.
The man needs to sit down with a globe one of these days.
HAHAHAHA

Runasim My heart has hardened again - against transparent gimmickry.
If you want to be taken seriously, try being serious.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

runasim — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:45:59 -0000

Neocon
Every time my heart softens, and I try to take you seriously, you come up with nonsense like this:
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"Obama really DOES want to fight a war in Afghanistan with his ANTIWAR base cheering on the destruction."

Since you're repeating it on several threads, it must be a TPM copy, coming from one vacuous blog or another.

it's a fabrication on two counts:
1. it misrepresents Obama's "base'
2. anti-Iraq war is not synonymous with anti-all wars You know it, and i know it, and everyone knows it. Denying real facts makes the denier look silly. Only the silly will fall for it. Do you really want to embrace the silliness base?

My heart has hardened again - against transparent gimmickry.
If you want to be taken seriously, try being serious.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

Neocon — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:50:22 -0000

So, Bernanke is also concerned about a mental inflation, and those layoffs are just a figment of imagination?

Now your catching on. There is nothing wrong with this economy. Its all a figment of the Far Lefts Imagination. People really arent losing their jobs and there is no inflation. Gasoline is really still only 1 dollar a gallon and there are no car bombs going off in Iraq and Barak Obama really DOES want to fight a war in Afghanistan with his ANTIWAR base cheering on the destruction.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

runasim — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:13:00 -0000

"one could accurately use the phrase “mental recession”.

So, Bernanke is also concerned about a mental inflation, and those layoffs are just a figment of imagination?

The war in Iraq is just a made for Hollywood movie, the deficit is an accounting error, torture is merely harsh interrogation techiques and all's well with the world as long as Bush and Gramm say so.

Just wanted to get eveything straight before i wake up to the real world.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

christoofar — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:00:09 -0000

lol @ neocon.

I firmly applaud McCain's decision to keep Phil the Pill on board. He's a great mis-speaking surrogate, whom McCain can deflect back onto the next time.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

ChrisWWW — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:58:48 -0000

A presidential candidate must show the character to stand up for people who he knows are good and competent public servants.

That's a fair statement, but has nothing to do with Phil Gramm.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

jwest — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:49:49 -0000

Since the country is not in an actual “recession” (a word that has a specific meaning), but to some people it “feels” like a recession, I guess one could accurately use the phrase “mental recession”.

What would be more to McCain’s detriment would be to throw a long time friend and advisor under the bus because of howls from left wingers who wouldn’t vote for him anyway. A presidential candidate must show the character to stand up for people who he knows are good and competent public servants.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

Neocon — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:42:54 -0000

STop whining.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

runasim — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:26:26 -0000

So, then Belarus turns out to be located in McCain's campaign headquarters.
The man needs to sit down with a globe one of these days.
HAHAHAHA

I refuse to say fli --- and and take it as an an adjustment and clarifiacation.
But I do resent the double standard.

Re: McCain Reportedly To Keep Gramm As Advisor And Surrogate

ChrisWWW — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:13:31 -0000

This is not surprising at all.

McCain has long been a ardent supporter or Gramm's and it seems like they are really good friends.

Unfortunately, McCain's personal appreciation for Gramm has led him to believe that Gramm is some sort of economic mastermind. That might be true on a small scale, since Gramm is certainly wealthy, but his ideas have been disastrous for the country as a whole.