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The Moderate Voice: New Haven Firefighters: The Divide Remains

  • GreenDreams · 5 months ago
    What difference will it make? The decision 5-4 today, would be 5-4 with Sotomayor on the bench. Do the Republicans really think Obama will add to THEIR side of the Court? Ha! Only Bush would be that stupid. No. wait. ALL presidents appoint justices in accord with their philosophies.

    Here's how Washington Monthly sums up the issue with regard to Sotomayor:
    It's probably safe to assume that Sotomayor's detractors will characterize today's ruling as a rebuke of her judgment regarding race and the law. It's worth noting, then, that this is a very poor argument.

    Remember, Sotomayor joined a unanimous appeals court panel in Ricci, and she applied precedent that existed at the time. Four justices on the high court agreed with her conclusion.

    Also note, the Supreme Court's role in the process is different. As Scott Lemieux noted, "[T]he Supreme Court can create new law in way that Circuit Courts can't." Besides, if this were the right metric for evaluating an appeals court judge nominated for the high court, Alito and Roberts would have been rejected by the Senate.

  • DLS · 5 months ago
    "ALL presidents appoint justices in accord with their philosophies."

    All "philosophies," of course, are not all equally, morally or otherwise.

    Proper restraint against overreach and respect for law and rule of law is superior as well as proper; substituting the views, desires, and whims of judges who are well to the left of the public and the will to which law is ordinarily intended and expected to satisfy is illegimate as well as morally and otherwise inferior and defective.

    At least with Sotomayor, there's less of an illegitimate-activist threat than there could have been.
  • GreenDreams · 5 months ago
    DLS, the "morality" of a philosophy is a matter of belief and opinion. You certainly can't claim the overreach of the "conservative" justices is morally superior, especially with respect to illegal wiretapping and trashing the balance of power codified in our Constitution, but dismissed in a most cavalier fashion by Bush appointees. So, you're entitled to your delusion of moral superiority, while I'm entitled to believe it's morally bankrupt.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    GD - You certainly can't claim the overreach of the "conservative" justices is morally superior, especially with respect to illegal wiretapping and trashing the balance of power codified in our Constitution

    Given that comment, it has to really get your goat that Obama is sustaining and continuing almost every single onE of the things you have railed against Bush about for the past few years here.

    I like how Glenn Reynolds puts it. Hope and Change? More like Hope and Same!

    HA HA HA HA!
  • DLS · 5 months ago
    "So, you're entitled to your delusion of moral superiority, while I'm entitled to believe it's morally bankrupt."

    You can make up whatever you want to say, Green Dreams, but the facts about judicial activism stand.
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    DLS

    You're right about the judicial activism. Like when your guys decided that equal pay for women could only be charged when the FIRST instance occurred, not the succeeding 20 years of inequality. That's activism old white men can believe in.

    Hard to believe, but these rulings are supposed to be determined by the law, but the charge of activism is always made by the side who loses.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    HemmD -

    equal pay for women could only be charged when the FIRST instance occurred, not the succeeding 20 years of inequality

    That is not what they ruled at all, and I am sure you know that, but felt that lying about or misrepresenting what they did actually rule mad it easier to make your point.

    The bottom-line point on that ruling was that it was a poorly written law, and it is not the Supreme Court's job to re-write poorly written law - it is Congress' job. And they did after that ruling. For once.

    I wish they would do that more often, rather than looking to SCOTUS to cover their asses by making new law or fixing their errors, frankly. And that criticism is definitely pointed at both Democrats and Republicans.
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    AR

    I beg to differ with your take. The decision hinged upon the idea that past discrimination is inadmissible if there was no "present" act within the allotted time period. In quoting a past case,

    "We agreed with Evans that the airline’s “seniority sys-tem [did] indeed have a continuing impact on her pay and fringe benefits,” id., at 558, but we noted that “the critical question [was] whether any present violation exist[ed].” Ibid. (emphasis in original). We concluded that the continuing effects of the precharging period discrimination did not make out a present violation."

    So, past discrimination, in Lilly's case unequal pay, could not be counted toward a present act of discrimination even though every paycheck underscored that unequal pay.

    So, if I sell you a fraudulent insurance policy where you make monthly payments, you can't be charged for fraud because the origination of that policy falls outside the statue of limitations? Cool, I've got some shoreline real estate I'd like to sell you.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    HemmD -

    Ah, but you conveniently ignore the that the past act occurred prior to the enactment of the law, which had been written with no grandfather clause (the fatal flaw), and continuing results of a prior action do not count, in legal terms, as new incidents. Had they again, after the enactment of the law, performed another separate, distinct act of pay discrimination, that certainly WOULD have counted.

    So, your example of the insurance, as it always seems to be for Leftists that do not get their way in court, is simply not a relevant example. It is just another lying misstatement of the initial conditions and facts in evidence so you can feel superior in your flawed reasoning.

    Again, my position is the difference between rulings based on the law vs. the 'what makes your tummy feel yummy' theory of jurisprudence. I prefer the former. If it leads to unacceptable consequences, change the law. As was done. As I said.

    As always, with love and respect, AR

    :)
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    Wrong again AR, nice try though.

    Hypothetical

    I contract with you in 1960 to sell you LSD on a monthly basis. At the time of the contract's start, LSD is a legal drug. I continue to sell you the drug to feed your monthly habit until the present day. I take it by your logic that because it was a legal act at the beginning of the contracting period, no unlawful act is committed after the drug is outlawed.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    Nope - because the laws on the distribution of controlled substances specifically invalidate any pre-existing contracts once a substance is added to the list. Again, well written law (much of which I vehemently disagree with, BTW. I just don't pretend the part that I don;t like don't exist, as you seem inclined to do o n laws you don't care for)

    SCOTUS was quite clear it was the language of the law itself that forced their hand, not some hatred of women as you seem to want to fantasize about, and given your apparent memory problems, I will again point out that Congress then indeed changed the law to correct their own poor wording.

    I am sorry you feel compelled to throw bogus strawman after bogus strawman at me, especially given i have the language of the SCOTUS ruling to back me up, but the plain fact is it was a poorly written law, SCOTUS made that abundantly clear, and then it got corrected.

    I really fail to see how that is so evil. The court did its job, Congress theirs. The only objection seems to come from those that insist SCOTUS should act as an extension of Congress.
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    In your spare time, let me know where in the US Code the contract dissolution passage you refer to is located. You're the expert, show me.

    And when you find it, explain to me how this affects drug contracts, but not illegal employment contracts.

    Thanks barrister
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    Certainly.

    21 USC Sec. 841, paragraph a, articles 1 and 2:

    (a) Unlawful acts
    Except as authorized by this subchapter, it shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally -

    (1) to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance; or

    (2) to create, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to distribute or dispense, a counterfeit substance.

    The rest of the subchapter deals with the penalties and allowable exceptions, and prior contracts is not one of the allowed exceptions.

    Go do your own research now:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa.html
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    AR
    Yes ace, I know the following is for minimum wage, however, as (d) below states,
    No employer having employees subject to any provisions of this section shall discriminate.....

    Pre-existing contracts are exempted where?"



    Title 29 Capt 8 § 206



    (d) Prohibition of sex discrimination
    (1) No employer having employees subject to any provisions of this section shall discriminate, within any establishment in which such employees are employed, between employees on the basis of sex by paying wages to employees in such establishment at a rate less than the rate at which he pays wages to employees of the opposite sex in such establishment for equal work on jobs the performance of which requires equal skill, effort, and responsibility, and which are performed under similar working conditions, except where such payment is made pursuant to
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    Hmmm. I guess you simply don't know they law as well as you pretend, HemmD. Again, laws cannot be made retroactive without specific call out. The drug laws do so, as I pointed out; this law did not. And it was changed to correct its deficiency.

    Again, you just seem to want to spend time whining over and over again that you didn't like the effect of the law as it was written, and bad, bad SCOTUS for not just changing the law to meet your whims.

    Obviously, you are never going to get over it (you probably still haven't gotten over Bush v. Gore, I would bet), so, no more arguing with a tree for me today. I do have more important things to do than to try and educate a rock.

    See you on another thread, I am sure.
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    AR

    Drop your negative baggage. And I'm real sorry you feel so sure you know what I think.

    I thought I was having a conversation, obviously, not.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    And I thought we had degenerated back into one of our Monty Python Argument Clinic moments!

    :)
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    If I was looking for an argument, then I wouldn't have come to the abuse dept.

    The (d) section I last sent you makes no attempt to over write previous contracts, yet you can't pay someone less than minimum wage after its passage. No discrimination now means every subsequent paycheck.

    That's not what SCOTUS ruled.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, malodorous, pervert!!!

    You are mixing different wage laws, which never really works. But would you at least care to share a link, as I did?
  • HemmD · 5 months ago
    AR

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode2...

    please show me how " Every employer shall pay to each of his employees" does not constitute citable evidence that (d) discrimination based on sex, does not apply to lilly. Just sayin' that sexual bias does not only refer to minimum wage workers here as how could you pay a female worker less if your men get paid the minimum; thus, it fits every worker.

    May not be good lawyering, but its logically consistant.

    twit
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    That is 'Upper Class Twit of the Year', to you!
  • GreenDreams · 5 months ago
    Yes, AR, I am greatly disappointed that Obama is continuing the "unitary executive" bull, the executive privilege ("private law"), defying FOIA requests and other lack of transparency issues. You know I'm a pretty solid Democrat, but I fully expect my team to walk their talk.
  • AustinRoth · 5 months ago
    GD - and you know I LOVE poking you with a stick, but many of those things (particularly indefinite detention, with or without access to lawyers, and without charges), gall me beyond words, too. I do believe that habaes corpus is one of the keystones of any fair judiciary, and I grew up believing the failure to provide access to the court was an undeniable indicator of unjust government.
  • superdestroyer · 5 months ago
    I wonder what is more ironic: That the four liberal memb ers of the Supreme Court think that it is fine when the government discriminates on the basis of race as long as whites are those are being discriminated against or that four people who went to Ivy League law schools believe that test, academic hardwork, and academic knowledge who not count as much as the ability to BS in an interview.