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Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:52:56 -0000

Well, boo, hoo, Maher. You and others thought he could walk on water. He, and other human politicians, can&#39t; move that fast; there are too many serious problems.
And, you can now tell I&#39m getting desperate, here are some sports and mythology analogies: In Obama&#39s favorite sport, a good coach wouldn&#39t allow only three-point shots in lieu of the harder driving for the basket shots. Icarus, though he had wings, flew too close to the sun.

Re: Obama Then and Now

jchem — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:02:29 -0000

Governing is much harder than campaigning.

Which may be why some are accusing Obama of running a permanent campaign. At any rate, I&#39m with dduck12 on this and willing to give him a little slack for only being here for 10 months. I will however fault his campaign for the expectations they raised for themselves and the seemingly impossible task it is for them to get there. It&#39s this reason why many folks on the left side of the aisle don&#39t think that Obama has done enough. Take for example, Bill Maher, among many:

Is This as Good as It Gets From Obama?

Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:11:09 -0000

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But, too many of them lead to your characterization.

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spirasol — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:05:08 -0000

There are many things to be glad for Obama about...............but the country was/is ready for someone more willing to grip the steering wheel of change..........Candidate Obama was a lion, President Obama seems timid.... so okay ............not the embarrassment of Bush, but, but......What?

Re: Obama Then and Now

AustinRoth — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:54:11 -0000

And can you point to one known case of Fox or MSNBC burying a story about McCain or Palin? If so, I will concede your point, otherwise you are simply engaging in wishful thinking.

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shannonlee — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:40:24 -0000

Well, had Fox gotten something this juicy from McCain, they would have buried it. MSNBC would have buried it.

Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:52:56 -0000

Well, boo, hoo, Maher. You and others thought he could walk on water. He, and other human politicians, can't; move that fast; there are too many serious problems.
And, you can now tell I'm getting desperate, here are some sports and mythology analogies: In Obama's favorite sport, a good coach wouldn't allow only three-point shots in lieu of the harder driving for the basket shots. Icarus, though he had wings, flew too close to the sun.

Re: Obama Then and Now

AustinRoth — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:19:25 -0000

This struck me:

Fowler reportedly agonized for days about whether to post and release the comments. She knew it would cause us major problems. Finally she talked to an editor who told her she had an obligation to make them public.

How many days would the agonizing have gone on if it was damaging words spoken McCain or Palin?

Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:16:04 -0000

I am not a fan of Obama and did not vote for him. But, jeez, he&#39s only been in office for less than a year. The news comes at us so quickly and from so many places and with different viewpoints (most not moderate), that we are all in debate mode all the time. Exacerbating this is the shear number of big problems being tackled, as if to prove the administration can chew gum, walk, campaign and whistle Dixie at the same time. I would cut him some slack in the criticism department, but continue to hope he limits the amount of problems he tackles to better focus on the ones he does goes after.

Re: Obama Then and Now

jchem — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:02:29 -0000

Governing is much harder than campaigning.

Which may be why some are accusing Obama of running a permanent campaign. At any rate, I'm with dduck12 on this and willing to give him a little slack for only being here for 10 months. I will however fault his campaign for the expectations they raised for themselves and the seemingly impossible task it is for them to get there. It's this reason why many folks on the left side of the aisle don't think that Obama has done enough. Take for example, Bill Maher, among many:

Is This as Good as It Gets From Obama?

Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:11:09 -0000

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But, too many of them lead to your characterization.

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spirasol — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:05:08 -0000

Re: Obama Then and Now

AustinRoth — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:54:11 -0000

And can you point to one known case of Fox or MSNBC burying a story about McCain or Palin? If so, I will concede your point, otherwise you are simply engaging in wishful thinking.

Re: Obama Then and Now

shannonlee — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:40:24 -0000

Well, had Fox gotten something this juicy from McCain, they would have buried it. MSNBC would have buried it.

Re: Obama Then and Now

AustinRoth — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:19:25 -0000

This struck me:

Fowler reportedly agonized for days about whether to post and release the comments. She knew it would cause us major problems. Finally she talked to an editor who told her she had an obligation to make them public.

How many days would the agonizing have gone on if it was damaging words spoken by McCain or Palin?

Re: Obama Then and Now

dduck12 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:16:04 -0000

I am not a fan of Obama and did not vote for him. But, jeez, he's only been in office for less than a year. The news comes at us so quickly and from so many places and with different viewpoints (most not moderate), that we are all in debate mode all the time. Exacerbating this is the shear number of big problems being tackled, as if to prove the administration can chew gum, walk, campaign and whistle Dixie at the same time. I would cut him some slack in the criticism department, but continue to hope he limits the amount of problems he tackles to better focus on the ones he does goes after.