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Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

ChrisWWW — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:06:20 -0000

sd,
The spying program is not restricted to calls from or to foreign lands. Do you remember the AT&T room in San Francisco that the NSA setup to send everything on AT&Ts network to the government?

It doesn&#39t matter whether or not this power has been used to gather evidence for the courts. They could use it as a pretext to send you off to one of our indefinite detention centers. Or they could use it to dig up some other kind of dirt on you. There are so many laws in this country that anyone and everyone commits a few unknowingly every day.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

superdestroyer — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:38:07 -0000

ChrisWWW,

There is a world of difference between the government looking through everyone&#39s medical records without cause with the National Security Agency listening to phonecalls made fro Pakistan to the United States.

Can you cite one case where warrantless electronic intelligence gathering has been used in a U.S. Court? I doubt it. Remember, the enforcement mechanism for illegally obtained evidence is that the information not be used in criminal court proceedings.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

ChrisWWW — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:08:22 -0000

We should be vigilant when it comes to privacy concerns, especially in an age of big government.

However! It is laughable for Mr. Ed to bring up these complaints. Morrissey is a big fan of our government&#39s domestic warrantless wiretapping program, as well as our indefinite detention centers like Gitmo.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

mikkel — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0000

"(2) INVESTIGATIONS - The Secretary may investigate the affairs of a Gateway, may examine the properties and records of a Gateway, and may require periodical reports in relation to activities undertaken by a Gateway. A Gateway shall fully cooperate in any investigation conducted under this paragraph."

Um...please explain how this is different than an audit.

If fraud is suspected from said audit, then the criminal process could start, and that&#39d have all the warrants and stuff.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

ChrisWWW — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:06:20 -0000

sd,
The spying program is not restricted to calls from or to foreign lands. Do you remember the AT&T room in San Francisco that the NSA setup to send everything on AT&Ts network to the government?

It doesn't matter whether or not this power has been used to gather evidence for the courts. They could use it as a pretext to send you off to one of our indefinite detention centers. Or they could use it to dig up some other kind of dirt on you. There are so many laws in this country that anyone and everyone commits a few unknowingly every day.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

superdestroyer — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:38:07 -0000

ChrisWWW,

There is a world of difference between the government looking through everyone's medical records without cause with the National Security Agency listening to phonecalls made fro Pakistan to the United States.

Can you cite one case where warrantless electronic intelligence gathering has been used in a U.S. Court? I doubt it. Remember, the enforcement mechanism for illegally obtained evidence is that the information not be used in criminal court proceedings.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

ChrisWWW — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:08:22 -0000

We should be vigilant when it comes to privacy concerns, especially in an age of big government.

However! It is laughable for Mr. Ed to bring up these complaints. Morrissey is a big fan of our government's domestic warrantless wiretapping program, as well as our indefinite detention centers like Gitmo.

Re: ObamaCare (TM) Revealed: Right Wing Remembers 4th Amendment

mikkel — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:08:29 -0000

Um...please explain how this is different than an audit.

If fraud is suspected from said audit, then the criminal process could start, and that'd have all the warrants and stuff.