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Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:28:22 -0000

I would cut foreign aid by 90%.

The U.S. will give an estimated $26 billion in foreign aid in 2008—70% more than when President George W. Bush took office (the figure doesn’t include funds related to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). More than 150 countries get financial assistance from the U.S. Here are the six that received the most this year

Foreign Policy - Think Again: U.S. Foreign Aid

The U.S. Government Provides More Foreign Aid than Any Other Country.”
Yes. The United States gives more cash to developing countries than any other nation. Of the $69 billion in development assistance given by the world’s 22 top donors in 2003, the U.S. government contributed $16.3 billion, or just under 25 percent. But these sums mainly reflect that the United States is the largest and wealthiest donor country, accounting for 40 percent of the 22 donor countries’ total income. So, it should come as no surprise that the United States gives substantially more than, say Canada, which has one tenth the population and a much lower average income.

When U.S. foreign aid is measured on other scales, however, a different picture emerges. For example, the United States provided about $51 per citizen in official development assistance in 2002–03. That ranks it in 16th place among other major donors, behind Norway ($381 per citizen), the Netherlands ($203 per citizen), France ($96 per citizen), and the United Kingdom ($89 per citizen), among others. When aid is measured as a share of national income, the United States ranks dead last at 0.15 percent. Top givers include Norway (0.92), Denmark (0.84), Belgium (0.60), and Germany (0.28).

Moreover, foreign aid constitutes only a small share of the U.S. federal budget—much smaller than most Americans think. Surveys show that most Americans believe the federal government devotes 15 to 20 percent of the country’s expenditures to aid. The actual figure is far less than 1 percent; that’s less than one fourth of the budget share of 1965.

So you want to cut the $30 Billion of Foreign aid that we are expecting to give down to $3 Billion ( less than 1 week&#39s military spending in Iraq).

You do realize the we are talking about a $3.1 trillion ($3100 Billion ) federal budget...

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:28:22 -0000

I would cut foreign aid by 90%.

Who Gets U.S. Foreign Aid ?

The U.S. will give an estimated $26 billion in foreign aid in 2008—70% more than when President George W. Bush took office (the figure doesn’t include funds related to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). More than 150 countries get financial assistance from the U.S. Here are the six that received the most this year

Foreign Policy - Think Again: U.S. Foreign Aid

The U.S. Government Provides More Foreign Aid than Any Other Country.”
Yes. The United States gives more cash to developing countries than any other nation. Of the $69 billion in development assistance given by the world’s 22 top donors in 2003, the U.S. government contributed $16.3 billion, or just under 25 percent. But these sums mainly reflect that the United States is the largest and wealthiest donor country, accounting for 40 percent of the 22 donor countries’ total income. So, it should come as no surprise that the United States gives substantially more than, say Canada, which has one tenth the population and a much lower average income.

When U.S. foreign aid is measured on other scales, however, a different picture emerges. For example, the United States provided about $51 per citizen in official development assistance in 2002–03. That ranks it in 16th place among other major donors, behind Norway ($381 per citizen), the Netherlands ($203 per citizen), France ($96 per citizen), and the United Kingdom ($89 per citizen), among others. When aid is measured as a share of national income, the United States ranks dead last at 0.15 percent. Top givers include Norway (0.92), Denmark (0.84), Belgium (0.60), and Germany (0.28).

Moreover, foreign aid constitutes only a small share of the U.S. federal budget—much smaller than most Americans think. Surveys show that most Americans believe the federal government devotes 15 to 20 percent of the country’s expenditures to aid. The actual figure is far less than 1 percent; that’s less than one fourth of the budget share of 1965.

So you want to cut the $30 Billion of Foreign aid that we are expecting to give down to $3 Billion ( less than 1 week's military spending in Iraq).

You do realize the we are talking about a $3.1 trillion ($3100 Billion ) federal budget...

You may want to study these charts:

Discretionary Spending 2009

Fiscal Year 2009 Federal Budget

Over 60% of the Federal Budget is mandatory spending (SSN, Medicare/Medicaid, unemployment/welfare, interest on the debt).

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

PJBFan — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:44:31 -0000

I would start by ordering a 10% pay cut for all federal employees, as well as cutting the pay of all but Article III judges by 20%, and a 15-20% reduction in the employment of all federal agencies. I would cut subsidies, especially agricultural ones, by 70%. I would require all agencies to take a 10% spending cut, and some, like the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and HUD, to take a larger cut, say 50, 30 and 30% respectively. I would demand that all defense contracts either be actually negotiated, or re-negotiated in a market-friendly model. I would re-write welfare, medicare, and medicaid to make them more economically efficient. I would merge positions. I would unravel most of the Department of Homeland Security, leaving intact only a few things, including communication between the intelligence agencies. I would issue a stop-haemorrhage order, stopping the dismissal of people under DADT, thus reducing the amount required to spend on training, recruiting and administrative costs. I would cut foreign aid by 90%.

I would also put aside ideas like a government-run healthcare plan, and would pretty summarily withdraw from Iraq, and let the civil war sort itself out there.

Only when that didn&#39t stanch the bleeding would I raise taxes, to cover what we are unable to pay for with those cuts.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:36:28 -0000

ROTFLMAO...

We could make the Republican Party and it&#39s supporter happy, we could raise taxes, radically cut expenses and watch the economy crater and in 2012 when Sarah Palin gets elected, she will get the chance to do the same thing Bush & Cheney did: Cut taxes on millionaires and tell us that DEFICITS DON"T MATTER.

You guys must really think that the Democrats are stupid suckers... You may be right.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DLS — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:44:30 -0000

"Even Obama&#39s own projections indicate he is sacrificing long term growth for short term stimulus. I don&#39t necessarily have a problem with that since a "soft landing" is desirable for most people, but the excessive spending has to be short term."

History shows it won&#39t be, but will function in an incrementalist way and raise childish people&#39s expectations for that level to be maintained and for them to see even more.

Yes, we could honestly try more stimulus first, even though to date the results have been laughable or pathetic (150,000 jobs, not 3.5 million new or saved jobs, original boast 4 million new jobs). One reason is that not all the money available to spent has been spent, so as monstrous as the Obama deficits and debts are right now, it can be claimed with a straight face that we are able to do more and should try more.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DLS — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:41:37 -0000

"The object is not to win the game of public opinion, it&#39s to practice fiscal responsibility."

Aside from the near-term miracle (a real one, from our Messiah) of seeing Obama suddenly becoming fiscally responsible, and getting the Dems in Congress also to be that way (a _real_ miracle), I&#39ll have more faith (pun intended) in these people if they require the federal government to conform to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) sometime soon. (Won&#39t those unfunded liabilities look great?)

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

PJBFan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:44:31 -0000

I would also put aside ideas like a government-run healthcare plan, and would pretty summarily withdraw from Iraq, and let the civil war sort itself out there.

Only when that didn't stanch the bleeding would I raise taxes, to cover what we are unable to pay for with those cuts.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:36:28 -0000

ROTFLMAO...

We could make the Republican Party and it's supporter happy, we could raise taxes, radically cut expenses and watch the economy crater and in 2012 when Sarah Palin gets elected, she will get the chance to do the same thing Bush & Cheney did: Cut taxes on millionaires and tell us that DEFICITS DON"T MATTER.

You guys must really think that the Democrats are stupid suckers... You may be right.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DLS — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:44:30 -0000

"Even Obama's own projections indicate he is sacrificing long term growth for short term stimulus. I don't necessarily have a problem with that since a "soft landing" is desirable for most people, but the excessive spending has to be short term."

History shows it won't be, but will function in an incrementalist way and raise childish people's expectations for that level to be maintained and for them to see even more.

Yes, we could honestly try more stimulus first, even though to date the results have been laughable or pathetic (150,000 jobs, not 3.5 million new or saved jobs, original boast 4 million new jobs). One reason is that not all the money available to spent has been spent, so as monstrous as the Obama deficits and debts are right now, it can be claimed with a straight face that we are able to do more and should try more.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DLS — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:41:37 -0000

"The object is not to win the game of public opinion, it's to practice fiscal responsibility."

Aside from the near-term miracle (a real one, from our Messiah) of seeing Obama suddenly becoming fiscally responsible, and getting the Dems in Congress also to be that way (a _real_ miracle), I'll have more faith (pun intended) in these people if they require the federal government to conform to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) sometime soon. (Won't those unfunded liabilities look great?)

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DaGoat — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:47:00 -0000

The object is not to win the game of public opinion, it&#39s to practice fiscal responsibility.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Ryan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:09:15 -0000

Well, if you fixed the deficit, the Public would be concerned about high taxes or low spending instead. You can&#39t really win the game, since the Public does not have coherent goals in mind.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DaGoat — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:57:00 -0000

Actually Democrats did profess to care about deficits during the GWB years. It seems like deficits are OK as long as you&#39re in the party worsening them, be it GOP or Democrats.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:44:58 -0000

Funny the public nor the media didn&#39t seem to care all that deeply about Shrub&#39s deficits when he was starting pointless wars and giving away the store to his buddies but now that a Democrat is in the house and the benefits of Government might actually start flowing towards the citizenry at large, Deficits are a real problem..

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:40:26 -0000

What would you massively cut, PJB? Specifically.

Not Being PJB, I can&#39t say what he would cut, but I would suggest we cut our Military Expenses by at least 70%, which will still leave us with the world&#39s largest military.

And we can start this process by getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, closing all our European Military bases over the next couple of years, closing our Japanese & Korean military bases over the next 5 years, dismantling the greater part of our Nuclear Arsenal, adding a couple of Divisions to the Marine Corps downsizing the Army & Air Force to pre-WWII size and getting rid of at least a couple of Aircraft Carriers( Why in heavens name do we need a fleet in the Mediterranean).

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:19:20 -0000

I will say, however, that Obama should commit to a longterm fix on Medicare and Social Security.

Social Security - We had a long term fix in 1983, led by Mr Greenspan and signed into law by Reagan, it raised rates, increased retirement age and made benefits taxable. Social Security is now sitting on $2.4 Trillion of assets.

We have been using the Trust-Fund to pay for the Billionaires tax-cuts, when the benefits are due to be payed out start raising taxes on the Billionaires.

And don&#39t touch my Social Security, it&#39s the only retirement plan I can count on, I like million of Americans do not have a Defined Pension Plan, and my 401k is looking like a 201k.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

DaGoat — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:13:35 -0000

The public should be worried. No matter how people try to spin it you can&#39t spend yourself out of debt in the long run. Even Obama&#39s own projections indicate he is sacrificing long term growth for short term stimulus. I don&#39t necessarily have a problem with that since a "soft landing" is desirable for most people, but the excessive spending has to be short term. Will Obama, Pelosi and Reid have the self-control to rein in the budget later?

It should be pointed out the 1937-38 recession was also felt to be due to tax increases, not just decreased government spending.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

GreenDreams — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:13:22 -0000

What would you massively cut, PJB? Specifically.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

$199537 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:47:00 -0000

The object is not to win the game of public opinion, it's to practice fiscal responsibility.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Ryan — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:09:15 -0000

Well, if you fixed the deficit, the Public would be concerned about high taxes or low spending instead. You can't really win the game, since the Public does not have coherent goals in mind.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

$199537 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:57:00 -0000

Actually Democrats did profess to care about deficits during the GWB years. It seems like deficits are OK as long as you're in the party worsening them, be it GOP or Democrats.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:44:58 -0000

Funny the public nor the media didn't seem to care all that deeply about Shrub's deficits when he was starting pointless wars and giving away the store to his buddies but now that a Democrat is in the house and the benefits of Government might actually start flowing towards the citizenry at large, Deficits are a real problem..

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:40:26 -0000

What would you massively cut, PJB? Specifically.

Not Being PJB, I can't say what he would cut, but I would suggest we cut our Military Expenses by at least 70%, which will still leave us with the world's largest military.

And we can start this process by getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, closing all our European Military bases over the next couple of years, closing our Japanese & Korean military bases over the next 5 years, dismantling the greater part of our Nuclear Arsenal, adding a couple of Divisions to the Marine Corps downsizing the Army & Air Force to pre-WWII size and getting rid of at least a couple of Aircraft Carriers( Why in heavens name do we need a fleet in the Mediterranean).

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

Don Quijote — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:19:20 -0000

I will say, however, that Obama should commit to a longterm fix on Medicare and Social Security.

We have been using the Trust-Fund to pay for the Billionaires tax-cuts, when the benefits are due to be payed out start raising taxes on the Billionaires.

And don't touch my Social Security, it's the only retirement plan I can count on, I like million of Americans do not have a Defined Pension Plan, and my 401k is looking like a 201k.

Re: Public Worried About Deficit

$199537 — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:13:35 -0000

The public should be worried. No matter how people try to spin it you can't spend yourself out of debt in the long run. Even Obama's own projections indicate he is sacrificing long term growth for short term stimulus. I don't necessarily have a problem with that since a "soft landing" is desirable for most people, but the excessive spending has to be short term. Will Obama, Pelosi and Reid have the self-control to rein in the budget later?

It should be pointed out the 1937-38 recession was also felt to be due to tax increases, not just decreased government spending.