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Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

kritt11 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:10:22 -0000

Good for Michelle- last night was a ground-breaking moment in the Democratic party and in electoral history-- don't let a few disgruntled conservatives spoil it!

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

Kathryn — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:39 -0000

Shorter Silhoutte,"I wish Michelle Obama gave a firery speech so I can denounce her as an angry threatening Black woman, but she didn't so I will trash her for being a loving wife and mother."

H/T Sadly No's take down of Richard Cohen

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

janinedm — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:44:00 -0000

Yes, it takes a sensitive and knowing reading of Black women to classify us all as sassy.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

Kathryn — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:56:40 -0000

Sil, your hatred of women (even Hillary) is astounding. Clearly PUMA's have an agenda that promotes infidelity (yeah Bill!) and mocks responsible fatherhood (Obama loves his daughters, that just proves what an empty suit he is). Clearly you are a Republican troll.

"At the whitehouse those forces will be BigOil and the GOP." I know they are happy to have you on the payroll.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

Silhouette — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:31:39 -0000

"Sil,

Something tells me that Michelle Obama could have risen someone from the dead and you still would find fault with it."
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Actually, if she had stuck with her original personality, I'd have been fine with that. The thing is, she didn't. And that is alarming since one of the biggest worries even the far left will talk about with the Obama campaign is his/their seeming chameleon-like adapting to whichever way the wind blows.

I grew up around black women. They made up about half the population of schools I attended. One thing that I almost never saw in them was cowed or submissive behavior. In fact, one the things that really endeared them to me and vice versa is that they matter-of-factly called things as they saw them. A fresh and bracing approach to human interaction. I loved it. I love New Yorkers for the same reason. I'll meet a New Yorker and instantly I prefer their company to uptight people I usually encounter.

Seeing "Michelle O" acting...yes...ACTING..submissive and weepy was enough to raise up the chum from my stomach. Her hairstyle mimicing Jackie O's is ridiculous. As if. Michelle O is no Jackie O. And why should she even try to fool people with that? Obama is no Kennedy. He is no King Jr. He is an empty and waffling suit, and so is, apparently, his wife at this point.

Between the two I'd hoped at least she would've stayed with something tangible. It just shows how easily these two can be manipulated by outside forces. At the whitehouse those forces will be BigOil and the GOP.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:05:52 -0000

For one thing, there is no such thing as you describe in your first sentence.

And I can fight back, even if at times I prefer defusing things with humor instead.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

SteveK — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:50:29 -0000

DLS said: "Chris, you're being inaccurate and illogical again. Brake that temper."

DLS,

Why you seem to have a need to come across as a jerk is beyond me.

When you lighten up on the nasty you points come across better, even to those of us who seldom agree with you.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

janinedm — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:48:29 -0000

You must remember that last night's theme was "One Nation." You can question the notion of choosing that as a theme to begin with, but, once chosen, it can't turn into a red meat fest. I'm sure there could have been a more exciting way to communicate the message, but we should also consider how schizophrenic it would have seemed to have 2 hours of Zell Millerism followed by the emotional Kennedy and Michelle moments.

I look forward to Hillary kicking butt tonight. Regardless of what the PUMAs expect, I'm sure she'll be taking to McCain (after all, New York is watching). The theme of "Renewing America's Promise" offers many opportunities to explain the way in which this administration has failed and how McCain is a continuation of those policies. We shall see.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:32:50 -0000

I don't watch much television but when I do observe it, I actually comprehend what is happening. (I listen to the radio frequently when on the road.) The liberal bias, constantly dishonestly denied by the "corporate right-wing media" [sic] crowd, is evident just as it is found in government and in academia. Most journalists and editors are liberal, not conservative.

Those on the extreme left, well -- they are distorted. This was similar to the dud show I heard earlier this afternoon (imagining an evil corporate right-wing conspiracy by television, especially FOX, to intentionally depict the audience as bored or disinterested during Michelle Obama's speech, which is complete nonsense; angry that what little criticism of the speech was about the need for some treatment of the issues rather than what the lefties on the show wanted, complete emphasis on touchy-feely personality heartwarming stuff). It is evenmore like what I've read before on proportional representation, by a "progressive" who puts the Democratic Party leadership slightly right of center and Reagan and Thatcher, predictably and ridiculously "far right" [sic].

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

jchem — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:24:05 -0000

Sil,

Something tells me that Michelle Obama could have risen someone from the dead and you still would find fault with it. Is there anything, I mean anything, that you don't find fault with in the Obamas? I mean, I appreciate your energy and your willingness to defend your comments, but you just seem to come off as so negative all the time.

"This was only the first day of the convention!"

Well said DLS. If she saved the convention on the first night, then it's all downhill from here.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

Silhouette — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:33:17 -0000

Yes, "Michelle O's" [like Jackie O?] speech was moving all right.

My daughter and I were nearly moved to vomiting when Michelle started almost fake crying. I thought her speech was rushed, over-emphatic and false. Aside from the gastric area, it didn't reach deeply into me at all. And actually I felt sorry for his daughters when they kept saying "hi daddy!" and he was less than emphatic in his reply back to them. It's like their going off-script was seriously screwing with his MO and he was doing his best to handle the situation so that no one would notice.

We noticed.

And it just goes back to the empty suit analogy. The Obamas act like vessels that anything can be poured into on script. I liked Michelle when she was a hard-ass. She had a personality and grit. Now she's just a makeover, an empty vessel just like her husband who shucked 40-something years of hard won tenacity for a blithe role as "demur first ladyness".

So yeah, we got to "know" Michelle all right. But not the way I'd hoped for.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

kritt11 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:31:41 -0000

I really like David Gergen- he's one of the last of a dying breed--- moderate Republicans who can analyze without constantly attacking politicians from the other party. If you watch his commentary on CNN he is thoughtful and never incindiary.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

ChrisWWW — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:09:19 -0000

The liberal media

Do you even watch or read actual news coverage? I see and read an awful lot of Karl Rove, Bill Bennett, Pat Buchanan, Richard Cohen, Tom Friedman, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck.

The conservative to liberal ratio among opinion makers on tv and in print has got to be at least 2 to 1.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:57:20 -0000

John McCain. Dynamic! Energetic! Transformational!

OK, try again...

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:56:40 -0000

Chris, you're being inaccurate and illogical again. Brake that temper. If the Dems do go mainly or wholly on the attack, yes, they'll be criticized for being like -- the GOP this year, which has been almost exclusively negative toward the Dems. If the Dems offer what "progressives" consider to be a truly positive vision (what they will do is appeal to liberals of many kinds, obviously), others will criticize their positions. It's up to libs and Dems like Begala to say the Dems aren't mean enough (when they're normally more than mean enough, often too mean, in fact).

The liberal media (quotes correctly omitted), who have been campaigning on Obama's behalf being the mainly libs and Dems that they are, attack McCain when he blunders, and ignores him when he does nothing, at least nothing wrong at a given moment. Suppression of anything he does (or does right or well) is common -- out of sight, out of (the voters') mind. _Everyone_ has written off the McCain campaign and the GOP this year and any lackluster coverage of the GOP convention is due to disinterest when not contempt or hatred on the media's part.

As of now, the only reason to watch the GOP convention is out of a perverse form of entertainment (Gitmo Lite) and in the morbid hope that the GOP will be left in worse, not better, shape afterward.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:50:44 -0000

J. West: Claire McAskill (sp?) and other "lesser lights" (more cruelly, "fluff and filler") were less moving or appealing than Pelosi. (That included Leach, who had a flat presentation and got little applause but made as good a Republican-at-the-Dem-convention-bashing-the-current-GOP speech as could be made.) Not everyone can be the headline or top-line speaker at all times every day.

Note I am not defending Pelosi much or claiming she is a good, much less great, speaker. She stumbled a bit (as did Teddy Kennedy, but nobody cared about Ted's stumbles; they were all glad he made it to the convention and onto the stage!) and her smile and frozen hair were a bit much. (My brother is a particular non-fan of her and had more to say in her disfavor last night, but we needn't pile on here on her or on Hillary Clinton, either, prematurely.)

I've compared this better convention to past Democratic circuses. Please consider the 1992 convention. Patricia Schoeder was simply a stupid babbler (meant in some way to represent Women [tm]? My God...)

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

qdcg — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:46:36 -0000

JWest, the only person worst than Pelosi as a public speaker, speaks next week. John McCain. "Republicains" (noted "cains") are scrambling to find a way to have him come off better than he did when he cliched the nomination. Good Luck.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

ChrisWWW — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:37:07 -0000

If the Democrats were 100% negative, like the Republicans, we'd all hear about how the Dem's don't have anything to offer the country besides not-being-Republicans. When they offer a positive vision, then we hear that they are off message and not attacking enough.

Somehow I doubt our "liberal media" will scrutinize the Republicans in the same way.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

jwest — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:21:32 -0000

If there is a worse public speaker (George Bush included) than Nancy Pelosi, I don’t know who it would be.

At least she is going full speed ahead with her plan to eliminate fossil fuels and drilling by using natural gas.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

DLS — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:45:25 -0000

This was only the first day of the convention! The "experts" are engaging in fiction. And don't overreact to it and ancitipate a good GOP convention. All odds are against it!

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

Jim_Satterfield — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:19:57 -0000

T-Steel,

You beat me to it. Seriously. Your post is so right on the money. Isn't one of the points of the Obama campaign that more than a few of us are weary of that same old style of politics? Isn't that what is bringing out so many supporters for him that haven't voted before? I think so.

Re: Quote Of The Day: Michella Obama Saved Democrat

T-Steel — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:05:52 -0000

Is it always necessary to do what conventional wisdom says? Do you have to attack, attack, attack Day 1? Or do you survey the political landscape and address what your candidate has been attacked on:

1. His supposed hatred of America.
2. His so-called "elitism"
3. His "foreign-ness" (for Pete's sake)
4. His supposed radical nature (wife included)

I was pleasantly surprised at the way the Dems handled the first day. And Nancy Pelosi did give the "meat" that everyone wanted. And Carville has lost me. He's bitter that he can't bite someone's head off in the spotlight.