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Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:29:11 -0000

dear sweetg, your comment was the brevity of wit. Thanks.

Odd isnt it, depending on who holds what kind of power with the upstarts, lots might sign today, right? But some might not. As I read our nation&#39s history over these many decades, I see that who signed, who insisted, who literally risked their lives, depended on how much bloodshed they&#39d experienced firsthand, who they lost from their own circle in unjust executions. Occupation of colonies was by soldiers who did not spare bayonet nor shot. I think of others who rose us under similar conditions... some routed those who were sent to enforce pillaging and murder and draconian measures... such as the overthrow of Britain by India, some were instead captured and killed, such as the warsaw ghetto uprising against the Nazis with the Russian Allied forces right outside Warsaw waiting it out instead of joining in to help the Poles. Some came to a draw, rose up, fell back to another draw and another over decades, like Burma.

When you think of it... America&#39s overthrow of the British king&#39s yoke, is still startling. The American Revolution, a mish-mosh of Native Americans, illiterate farmers, black and Mexican and Caribe slaves, people of British blood who came on boats much earlier than the occupation, women with mustkets, men with origins in many Eu. nations in generations previous... and all led by men turned rough woolen greatcoat wearers, who were used to otherwise wearing silk breeches and hose.... amazing.

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:13:09 -0000

There&#39s something in the heart of many people dear Spirasol, that keeps veering away from despair and toward hope no matter what ...many many rush to the other side when there is apathy/denial. I think of Aung in Burma among so many others; there are wins that dont show until one day...

just my two cents worth about lanternship/leadership in dark times
dr.e

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:29:11 -0000

dear sweetg, your comment was the brevity of wit. Thanks.

Odd isnt it, depending on who holds what kind of power with the upstarts, lots might sign today, right? But some might not. As I read our nation's history over these many decades, I see that who signed, who insisted, who literally risked their lives, depended on how much bloodshed they'd experienced firsthand, who they lost from their own circle in unjust executions. Occupation of colonies was by soldiers who did not spare bayonet nor shot. I think of others who rose us under similar conditions... some routed those who were sent to enforce pillaging and murder and draconian measures... such as the overthrow of Britain by India, some were instead captured and killed, such as the warsaw ghetto uprising against the Nazis with the Russian Allied forces right outside Warsaw waiting it out instead of joining in to help the Poles. Some came to a draw, rose up, fell back to another draw and another over decades, like Burma.

When you think of it... America's overthrow of the British king's yoke, is still startling. The American Revolution, a mish-mosh of Native Americans, illiterate farmers, black and Mexican and Caribe slaves, people of British blood who came on boats much earlier than the occupation, women with mustkets, men with origins in many Eu. nations in generations previous... and all led by men turned rough woolen greatcoat wearers, who were used to otherwise wearing silk breeches and hose.... amazing.

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:13:09 -0000

There's something in the heart of many people dear Spirasol, that keeps veering away from despair and toward hope no matter what ...many many rush to the other side when there is apathy/denial. I think of Aung in Burma among so many others; there are wins that dont show until one day...

just my two cents worth about lanternship/leadership in dark times
dr.e

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

spirasol — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:44:17 -0000

Yup, beautiful..............Then come the corporations who hire a lot of lawyers and politicians to create a template that can be placed over the original at will, sometimes on a lark and sometime to underscore who is running the F____ing place. They don&#39t change it drastically, but parse the words, diluting their original felt meaning. Truths? What and which ones? Equality?-- for whom? Surely the framers never meant complete "liberty." We can&#39t give everybody "liberty" can we? If my financial "happiness" depends upon destroying all the mountains that have existed for centuries, well then I expect government help to secure that right.

But the government and the military would fight your right to abolish even if the people felt it was the right thing to do (like single payer health care-last reading 63% approve)...........should you take steps in this direction you would be labeled a domestic terrorist and shipped to a place where a confession would be extracted from you that, in fact, you are Castro&#39s only son, and the woman tatooed on your arm is a demonic female version of Shiva, one who exists to destroy.

I bring this up at the July 4th barby, but conversation lags, no compatriots here.........sidle over to fetch another beer........and another............and with the voice of Nina Simone crying and screaming in my ipod ears, I settle for the hammock and fall deeply asleep............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz There is a certain harmonic convergence here............I am finally in tune with all the sadness of what it means but surrounded by apathy and denial.

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

spirasol — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:44:17 -0000

But the government and the military would fight your right to abolish even if the people felt it was the right thing to do (like single payer health care-last reading 63% approve)...........should you take steps in this direction you would be labeled a domestic terrorist and shipped to a place where a confession would be extracted from you that, in fact, you are Castro's only son, and the woman tatooed on your arm is a demonic female version of Shiva, one who exists to destroy.

I bring this up at the July 4th barby, but conversation lags, no compatriots here.........sidle over to fetch another beer........and another............and with the voice of Nina Simone crying and screaming in my ipod ears, I settle for the hammock and fall deeply asleep............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz There is a certain harmonic convergence here............I am finally in tune with all the sadness of what it means but surrounded by apathy and denial.

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

sweetg — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:21:16 -0000

I would sign that!

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:41:30 -0000

thanks FatherTime, you made me laugh right out loud. That&#39s a pretty good electroinic accent. lol

dr.e

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

Father_Time — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:22:40 -0000

Traitors!

His Majesty King George III is going to get right pissed off about this.

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

sweetg — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:21:16 -0000

I would sign that!

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

archangel — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:41:30 -0000

thanks FatherTime, you made me laugh right out loud. That's a pretty good electroinic accent. lol

dr.e

Re: Rockets’ Red Glare: And The Flag Was Still There Edition

Father_Time — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:22:40 -0000

Traitors!

His Majesty King George III is going to get right pissed off about this.