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And, in FACT, it is stil being used and not just by the left. Check out Google News and Google Web. You'll see some on the left using "tea bag protest" and some that are not ideological sites using it. On this post above, I didn't use it because I was aware this WAS a controversy and the intent of some who use it is political. If you saw it other posts, I just did it on auto pilot and you COULD have sent me an email pointing it out -- an email not in attack mode.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&source=hp&q=t...
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw...
I won't be commenting on this in the future.
The question was: "The issue is Stewart's bit: was it good, lousey? Out of line? "
My answer/opinion: Stewart was magnificent!
Guys and gals, please express your opinion about Jon Stewart, but please don't kill the messenger...again
And of course Stewart's bit was funny. He is our most consistent political and observational humorist, and I rank him up there the very best, on par with H.L Mencken and possibly even Twain.
Now you can't tell me that if a group of protesters decided to hold rallies to speak out against Mexican immigrants and call it a "Dirty Sanchez Party" that it wouldn't immediately hit the radar of every comedian out there. Chances are, you know what that term means, and if you don't, you at least have a good idea as to what type of act it might. To top it off, imagine if they continued calling it that and some proudly held signs that they were going to give the border patrol a Dirty Sanchez, all mixed in with little old ladies continued to use the term and have no idea what they were talking about. Now imagine that even after that they continued to refer to themselves as Dirty Sanchezers. At some point, with them insisting to be called that, it just becomes lodged in your brain that that's what they're supposed to be called. You might even start use the term without even thinking about it.
Better example... Let's say that a group of Buddhists use a symbol for centuries. Let's say that a fringe right-wing group starts to use that symbol and then commits genocide. Even though it's still a Buddhist symbol, it is now more commonly associated with the second group and considered social taboo.
I find it odd how you don't see the irony of Hannity's use of erroneous film clips to push a political meme. I distinctly remember how outraged you were that Oberman edited a Palin daughter clip. At least in his case, he actually used her words about abstinence.
As to Stewart "milking" the apology, get over it. Stewart is a comedienne who lives on the milk of other people's hypocrisy. Hannity and fox in general slice and dice raw footge to produce their meme on a regular basis. Stewart caught him and called him out by using humor to make his point. Any time Hannity wants to guarantee that this episode is his last attempt to shape the news through purposeful editing, I'm sure Stewart will leave him alone.
Also, as to the teabagger "controversy", I suggest you watch Robert Wuhl's "Assume the Position."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgddY5OO4fY This jumps into themiddle of his talk, and I suggest you watch all four parts. You will find yourself laughing at the lies we've told ourselves.
Yankee Doodle was a homophobic slur first used by the British. It took Americans to make it a battle cry. My point is simple, instead of taking umbrage with a an opposition's intended slur, use it, ignore it, or make it mean something you want it to. Being offended is a waste of everybody's time.
I also didn't comment about 'teabagger' with outrage- I was responding to those who were puzzled at how the tea party participants could possibly not have known about the urban dictionary definition of teabag, and letting them know that at least among people that I know, no one understood what the juvenile joking was all about and I'm not ashamed to admit that because I have no shame in not being well versed in crass terms for sex acts.
The "also" was a break in point. The first paragraph was directed toward your comments about Stewart going back to the subject after Hannity's apology. That is a comics tactic, nothing more.
The tawdry connotation of teabagger not withstanding, this faux insult has been kicked around way too much here. My comments were directed toward those who are constantly offended. If you are not one of those, feel free to read it as not directed toward you. My mistake was to put both comments in the same response.
I'll be happy to stop using this term if the right side refrains from the list of pejoratives used to describe the left. In this thread, I believe a separate comment to AR would have made the implied distinction overt.
In Austin's defense, I attended all of the Tea Parties in my area. Not ONCE did any of us refer to ourselves as "Tea Baggers" or to our event as "Tea Bag Parties". Not once.
Just because ANY media outlet calls it that, does not make it right. And contrary to your probable believe, the make up of the crowd at the Tea Parties was approximately 1/3 democrat. SHOCKING!! The media, and no doubt you, presumed it was a massive neocon/GOP effort. That may have been the case for many of the participants, but for me (A social-conservative moderate Democrat) it was not. It was a frustration with Congress, the Bush/Obama bailouts, multi-Trillion dollar heathcare, and impending debt that we cannot afford to pass to the children.
I know this has all been said before. But as long as conservatives and liberals alike continue to miscategorize the impetus behind the Tea Parties, or belittle their meaning, here I'll be on the soapbox.
Indeed, they went so far as to put up a "Tea Bag Party". Their website, promoting the sending of tea bags to Washington as a tax protest, is still up at www.teabagparty.org . Just an interesting bit.
Humor is often the best way to shame the unprincipled. Stewart did a good job on Hannity.
Indeed. Not to mention that throwing around loose tea likely would not have required as much clean up. In fact, it might have been quite beneficial for the White House lawn. Though I do wonder how much sales tax was paid in this protest on taxation, and folks fail to see the irony in that.
If they'd stop and actually consider why the Boston Tea Party happened the way it did, they'd know that it wasn't merely a symbolic thing. Dumping all that tea meant that it would not be sold and therefore could not be used to collect taxes. It was also illegal, but then some of the more effective protests usually are. You could even compare it to the sit-ins of the 1960s and bus boycotts. They weren't just symbolic. They had an actual effect. Symbolism and lack of sacrifice just isn't that effective.
Stewart is right though . Hannity should apologize to his viewers.
Obviously so, but not surprising in the least that it is happening, given the silliness and pettiness that is so pervasive and predictable "there".~DLS..
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So if you watch the shows from "there" then you are "petty". [stay with the herd]. That was a nip from TMV's own heeling dog. Well that's one way of looking at it. Here's another way: without shows like The Daily Show to keep the rampant propaganda [on both sides] under check, we'd be living in Soviet Russia under the KGB. And depending on who still maintained power of the secret arm of government, in our case the CIA and it's PSYOPS crapola..I mean, really...if it was up to the GOP they would have that measure of control over the populace if we let them.
Like I said about Olbermann, if the need wasn't there, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report wouldn't exist.
If you take the "What's you News IQ" test be forewarned... You'll get three questions wrong if you actually know the current news!.. The test was written last April.
Too bad that wasn't comedy as well.
As for offense taken at benign lexicon, this is the second case I've seen at TMV lately. I rank that dynamic right down there with apologist behavior for indefensible actions - in this case what FOX did.
Too bad that wasn't comedy as well.~ J Spencer
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Yes. Unfortunately it is a reality that has brought much shame on our country throughout the world. "Beware of ignorance and want", wasn't that Dickens? All they have to do to the ignorant groping horde is to herd them; like reflexive border collies for a higher evil master.
Sean Hannity is like a border collie. Mr. Murdoch, his master, is an aussie. He understands EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Sean Hannity therefore is more properly a "queensland heeler", a bit soft-eyed but still effective when called on to bring them home. Glenn Beck is more like a McNab, all hectic, manic and obsessed with the job. He's got a hard eye and you wouldn't want him out in the yard when the kids are playing. He might even have rabies.
In herding we have the headers and the heelers. Dogs who are natural headers mesmerize the herd by their movements. I'm thinking Beck is a header. If a member strays too far out of the ball, the header will confront them directly and keep them moving in the right direction. Heelers are dogs that naturally come from behind, nip the heels [hence the name] of the herd driving fear from behind. Beck is also a good heeler. Dick Cheney is the ultimate heeler. He would win the blue in heeler trials at every dog show he went to.
The GOP base overwhelmingly used to be like sheep, totally uninformed and utterly easy to manipulate. Those were the good old days eh boys? Nowadays with the internet and its invisible but potent educating, they're more like a herd of goats, still workable somewhat but refusing to stay balled up like sheep. They see more options. The GOP dogs are having to work five times as hard to work the stragglers back in since goats are much smarter than sheep and have minds of their own. This explains Beck's histrionics and Hannity's footage-substitution. The dogs are showing signs of fatigue. Don't worry, Murdoch will replace them with fresh ones. I hear Dobbs might be coming on? Murdoch could name his new pup "Dobby Boy"..lol..
There's your ranch metaphor for the day. When I can't find any herding-dog trials on the tube I'll turn to Faux News. It's pretty much the same thing.
And we wonder why people are concerned about America. Sections of our population grifting for ultimate and unlimited power are so dumb and so armed to the teeth, so visceral and basic and animalistic. No wonder we have real and dedicated "enemies". Jesus Cristo!
Careful - you don't want to be labeled a right-wing biased non-legitimate news blogger, do you?
Not out of line considering Stewart does comedy, but I didn't think it was very funny and it came across as hamhanded. Hannity did the right thing in this case by admitting the error and apologizing (and from that clip, I didn't think he was apologizing to Stewart- he just said that Stewart was right and then he apologized, presumably to his viewers.)
Anyway, I say hamhanded because it's a silly thing to make such a big deal of, and it seems a bit petty to keep milking the gag after the correction was made by Hannity. Stewart is talented and funny and capable of coming up with better material than this.
Obviously so, but not surprising in the least that it is happening, given the silliness and pettiness that is so pervasive and predictable "there"...
Actually, the real issue is if this was an accident or mistake by Hannity, or if it was deliberate (which is to say, dishonest). It's not a big deal any longer -- it was wrong and Hannity admitted it (and obviously will now be under more scrutiny, at least until the wariness subsides). But that was the real issue.
Hannity's show is an opinion show, not a "news" show. If you want a news show on Fox, watch Shep Smith's.
Secondly, opinion shows are all about the narrative. Olbermann, Maddow have their narratives too, as do many others who host opinion and talk type of shows. And guess, what, Jon Stewart has a narrative. So I don't get too upset about it, but it seems there are a lot of people out there who lack enough self-awareness to understand that the "news" they like is just as narrative-driven as the "news" they don't like.
Um, no, it wasn't a 'nip', nor did I say that people who watch The Daily Show are petty. I simply answered Joe's question with my own opinion of this particular clip from Stewart, and personal opinions were what Joe asked for. Funny how a few commenters here react as though there is only one correct answer to a question about opinions, and yet somehow simultaneously are trying to claim that we who might have a contrarian opinion are trying to nip at heels to herd people into agreeing with us.