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Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

HemmD — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:41:45 -0000

CS

The "also" was a break in point. The first paragraph was directed toward your comments about Stewart going back to the subject after Hannity&#39s apology. That is a comics tactic, nothing more.

The tawdry connotation of teabagger not withstanding, this faux insult has been kicked around way too much here. My comments were directed toward those who are constantly offended. If you are not one of those, feel free to read it as not directed toward you. My mistake was to put both comments in the same response.

I&#39ll be happy to stop using this term if the right side refrains from the list of pejoratives used to describe the left. In this thread, I believe a separate comment to AR would have made the implied distinction overt.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

CStanley — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:00:18 -0000

Good gosh, nothing like a huge overreaction to my comments, Hemm. I don&#39t need to &#39get over&#39 anything, as I was never in the least upset about this. Joe Gandleman posted his observations about Stewart&#39s second jibe at Hannity and then in the comment section he asked for opinions about it. I gave mine, end of story. I wasn&#39t in any way commenting on the initial Stewart piece about Hannity&#39s faux video reel, and never in any way condoned the use of fake footage (nor do I think there was anything whatsoever wrong with his initial criticism.) I also already said I didn&#39t think Stewart crossed any lines of impropriety, but simply expressed my personal opinion that the second clip wasn&#39t very funny to me and was a bit tacky (again my opinion) to keep beating the drum after the apology.

I also didn&#39t comment about &#39teabagger&#39 with outrage- I was responding to those who were puzzled at how the tea party participants could possibly not have known about the urban dictionary definition of teabag, and letting them know that at least among people that I know, no one understood what the juvenile joking was all about and I&#39m not ashamed to admit that because I have no shame in not being well versed in crass terms for sex acts.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

HemmD — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:41:45 -0000

The "also" was a break in point. The first paragraph was directed toward your comments about Stewart going back to the subject after Hannity's apology. That is a comics tactic, nothing more.

The tawdry connotation of teabagger not withstanding, this faux insult has been kicked around way too much here. My comments were directed toward those who are constantly offended. If you are not one of those, feel free to read it as not directed toward you. My mistake was to put both comments in the same response.

I'll be happy to stop using this term if the right side refrains from the list of pejoratives used to describe the left. In this thread, I believe a separate comment to AR would have made the implied distinction overt.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

CStanley — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:00:18 -0000

Good gosh, nothing like a huge overreaction to my comments, Hemm. I don't need to 'get over' anything, as I was never in the least upset about this. Joe Gandleman posted his observations about Stewart's second jibe at Hannity and then in the comment section he asked for opinions about it. I gave mine, end of story. I wasn't in any way commenting on the initial Stewart piece about Hannity's faux video reel, and never in any way condoned the use of fake footage (nor do I think there was anything whatsoever wrong with his initial criticism.) I also already said I didn't think Stewart crossed any lines of impropriety, but simply expressed my personal opinion that the second clip wasn't very funny to me and was a bit tacky (again my opinion) to keep beating the drum after the apology.

I also didn't comment about 'teabagger' with outrage- I was responding to those who were puzzled at how the tea party participants could possibly not have known about the urban dictionary definition of teabag, and letting them know that at least among people that I know, no one understood what the juvenile joking was all about and I'm not ashamed to admit that because I have no shame in not being well versed in crass terms for sex acts.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

HemmD — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:46:00 -0000

Good morning CS

I find it odd how you don&#39t see the irony of Hannity&#39s use of erroneous film clips to push a political meme. I distinctly remember how outraged you were that Oberman edited a Palin daughter clip. At least in his case, he actually used her words about abstinence.

As to Stewart "milking" the apology, get over it. Stewart is a comedienne who lives on the milk of other people&#39s hypocrisy. Hannity and fox in general slice and dice raw footge to produce their meme on a regular basis. Stewart caught him and called him out by using humor to make his point. Any time Hannity wants to guarantee that this episode is his last attempt to shape the news through purposeful editing, I&#39m sure Stewart will leave him alone.

Also, as to the teabagger "controversy", I suggest you watch Robert Wuhl&#39s "Assume the Position."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgddY5OO4fY This jumps into themiddle of his talk, and I suggest you watch all four parts. You will find yourself laughing at the lies we&#39ve told ourselves.

Yankee Doodle was a homophobic slur first used by the British. It took Americans to make it a battle cry. My point is simple, instead of taking umbrage with a an opposition&#39s intended slur, use it, ignore it, or make it mean something you want it to. Being offended is a waste of everybody&#39s time.

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CStanley — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:57:51 -0000

Actually, neither I nor anyone in my social circle had ever heard the term used as sexual entendre before this came up. I find it odd that we&#39re supposed to feel embarrassed to not know this lexicon. Sorry if you think that people are rubes for not being in on the joke, but perhaps you should realize that not everyone is as well versed in crassness as others apparently are.

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spirasol — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:07:11 -0000

*Hurrah* for the daily show and Jon Stewart and I agree with the post that likens him to Twain. I thought it was effective and funny. The reaction to Hannity&#39s apology also right on the mark. While it is a minor miracle that Fox would apologize for anything, Hannity&#39s apolgy imo falls into the strategic type, tongue in cheek, jabbing back even as you acknowledge that there had been a "mistake." Now, I&#39ve never worked at a major news station, but I know that if I backed my truck up and filled another&#39s swimming pool with coal, it was likely not a mistake, notwithstanding I would not be telling the arresting officer just that. This whole issue speaks to, as Jon pointed out, the manipulation of the news.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

HemmD — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:46:00 -0000

Good morning CS

I find it odd how you don't see the irony of Hannity's use of erroneous film clips to push a political meme. I distinctly remember how outraged you were that Oberman edited a Palin daughter clip. At least in his case, he actually used her words about abstinence.

As to Stewart "milking" the apology, get over it. Stewart is a comedienne who lives on the milk of other people's hypocrisy. Hannity and fox in general slice and dice raw footge to produce their meme on a regular basis. Stewart caught him and called him out by using humor to make his point. Any time Hannity wants to guarantee that this episode is his last attempt to shape the news through purposeful editing, I'm sure Stewart will leave him alone.

Also, as to the teabagger "controversy", I suggest you watch Robert Wuhl's "Assume the Position."

http://www.youtube.com/watc... This jumps into themiddle of his talk, and I suggest you watch all four parts. You will find yourself laughing at the lies we've told ourselves.

Yankee Doodle was a homophobic slur first used by the British. It took Americans to make it a battle cry. My point is simple, instead of taking umbrage with a an opposition's intended slur, use it, ignore it, or make it mean something you want it to. Being offended is a waste of everybody's time.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

CStanley — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:57:51 -0000

Actually, neither I nor anyone in my social circle had ever heard the term used as sexual entendre before this came up. I find it odd that we're supposed to feel embarrassed to not know this lexicon. Sorry if you think that people are rubes for not being in on the joke, but perhaps you should realize that not everyone is as well versed in crassness as others apparently are.

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

spirasol — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:07:11 -0000

*Hurrah* for the daily show and Jon Stewart and I agree with the post that likens him to Twain. I thought it was effective and funny. The reaction to Hannity's apology also right on the mark. While it is a minor miracle that Fox would apologize for anything, Hannity's apolgy imo falls into the strategic type, tongue in cheek, jabbing back even as you acknowledge that there had been a "mistake." Now, I've never worked at a major news station, but I know that if I backed my truck up and filled another's swimming pool with coal, it was likely not a mistake, notwithstanding I would not be telling the arresting officer just that. This whole issue speaks to, as Jon pointed out, the manipulation of the news.

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JeffersonDavis — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:34:43 -0000

Joe,

In Austin&#39s defense, I attended all of the Tea Parties in my area. Not ONCE did any of us refer to ourselves as "Tea Baggers" or to our event as "Tea Bag Parties". Not once.

Just because ANY media outlet calls it that, does not make it right. And contrary to your probable believe, the make up of the crowd at the Tea Parties was approximately 1/3 democrat. SHOCKING!! The media, and no doubt you, presumed it was a massive neocon/GOP effort. That may have been the case for many of the participants, but for me (A social-conservative moderate Democrat) it was not. It was a frustration with Congress, the Bush/Obama bailouts, multi-Trillion dollar heathcare, and impending debt that we cannot afford to pass to the children.

I know this has all been said before. But as long as conservatives and liberals alike continue to miscategorize the impetus behind the Tea Parties, or belittle their meaning, here I&#39ll be on the soapbox.

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tidbits — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:35:02 -0000

Without beating this issue to death, there actually was a rationale behind using teabags as opposed to loose tea. In planning to send tea to various Washington pols as part of the protest, the organizers determined that loose tea might leak from the envelopes and create "security" concerns, ala the anthrax scare. Thus, the decision to use teabags as their symbol of protest. Just a little more useless information.

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Almoderate — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:20:39 -0000

There were many, many "Tea Bags" brought to the "Tea Party&#39s"... ergo "Tea Bag Party" if they&#39d had any sense they would have bought it in bulk, it&#39s cheaper and it&#39s better.

Indeed. Not to mention that throwing around loose tea likely would not have required as much clean up. In fact, it might have been quite beneficial for the White House lawn. Though I do wonder how much sales tax was paid in this protest on taxation, and folks fail to see the irony in that.

If they&#39d stop and actually consider why the Boston Tea Party happened the way it did, they&#39d know that it wasn&#39t merely a symbolic thing. Dumping all that tea meant that it would not be sold and therefore could not be used to collect taxes. It was also illegal, but then some of the more effective protests usually are. You could even compare it to the sit-ins of the 1960s and bus boycotts. They weren&#39t just symbolic. They had an actual effect. Symbolism and lack of sacrifice just isn&#39t that effective.

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Almoderate — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:06:28 -0000

Austin, the term "tea bag" and "tea bagging" meant what they did long before the first such event was planned, and the definition was widely known-- not just to those who have some sort of deviant lifestyle. They could have stopped at "tea party" but many (some obviously aware of it&#39s other use and some completely oblivious) did not.

Now you can&#39t tell me that if a group of protesters decided to hold rallies to speak out against Mexican immigrants and call it a "Dirty Sanchez Party" that it wouldn&#39t immediately hit the radar of every comedian out there. Chances are, you know what that term means, and if you don&#39t, you at least have a good idea as to what type of act it might. To top it off, imagine if they continued calling it that and some proudly held signs that they were going to give the border patrol a Dirty Sanchez, all mixed in with little old ladies continued to use the term and have no idea what they were talking about. Now imagine that even after that they continued to refer to themselves as Dirty Sanchezers. At some point, with them insisting to be called that, it just becomes lodged in your brain that that&#39s what they&#39re supposed to be called. You might even start use the term without even thinking about it.

Better example... Let&#39s say that a group of Buddhists use a symbol for centuries. Let&#39s say that a fringe right-wing group starts to use that symbol and then commits genocide. Even though it&#39s still a Buddhist symbol, it is now more commonly associated with the second group and considered social taboo.

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casualobserver — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:43:20 -0000

Additionally, Sil, if I were you, I wouldn&#39t even bring the word "nip" into the conversation. We already have our speculations........lol!

Re: Sean Hannity Apologizes to Jon Stewart Who….(Etc.)

JeffersonDavis — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:34:43 -0000

Joe,

In Austin's defense, I attended all of the Tea Parties in my area. Not ONCE did any of us refer to ourselves as "Tea Baggers" or to our event as "Tea Bag Parties". Not once.

Just because ANY media outlet calls it that, does not make it right. And contrary to your probable believe, the make up of the crowd at the Tea Parties was approximately 1/3 democrat. SHOCKING!! The media, and no doubt you, presumed it was a massive neocon/GOP effort. That may have been the case for many of the participants, but for me (A social-conservative moderate Democrat) it was not. It was a frustration with Congress, the Bush/Obama bailouts, multi-Trillion dollar heathcare, and impending debt that we cannot afford to pass to the children.

I know this has all been said before. But as long as conservatives and liberals alike continue to miscategorize the impetus behind the Tea Parties, or belittle their meaning, here I'll be on the soapbox.

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CStanley — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:22:09 -0000

So if you watch the shows from "there" then you are "petty". [stay with the herd]. That was a nip from TMV&#39s own heeling dog.

Um, no, it wasn&#39t a &#39nip&#39, nor did I say that people who watch The Daily Show are petty. I simply answered Joe&#39s question with my own opinion of this particular clip from Stewart, and personal opinions were what Joe asked for. Funny how a few commenters here react as though there is only one correct answer to a question about opinions, and yet somehow simultaneously are trying to claim that we who might have a contrarian opinion are trying to nip at heels to herd people into agreeing with us.

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Silhouette — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:59:14 -0000

"it&#39s a silly thing to make such a big deal of, and it seems a bit petty to keep milking the gag"

Obviously so, but not surprising in the least that it is happening, given the silliness and pettiness that is so pervasive and predictable "there"...
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Well that&#39s one way of looking at it. Here&#39s another way: without shows like The Daily Show to keep the rampant propaganda on both sides under check, we&#39d be living in Soviet Russia under the KGB. I mean, really...if it was up to the GOP they would have that measure of control over the populace if we let them.

Like I said about Olbermann, if the need wasn&#39t there, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report wouldn&#39t exist.

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SteveK — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:09:53 -0000

The bad link in my post above should have been to: April 1, 2009 | Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.

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SteveK — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:03:05 -0000

tidbits wrote: "The odd part about the term "tea bag" associated with these protests, is that it was initally used by the protesters themselves, until its double meaning became apparent."

Exactly right tidbits, as pointed out in the Wikipedia post: Tea Party Protests

In February [2/27/09], David Weigel of The Washington Independent photographed a protester holding a sign that read "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You." The verb "tea bag" is used by others including Fox News Reporter Griff Jenkins and <a href="http://www.reteaparty.com/2009/02/27/rick... where it is used self-referentially. Salon.com, however, pointed out that "teabagging" has long had another meaning.

April 15th Tax-day Events

An April 15, 2009 Tea Party protest outside the White House was moved after a box of tea bags was hurled over the White House fence. Police sealed off the area and evacuated some people. The United States Secret Service brought out a bomb-detecting robot, which determined the package was not a threat. Approximately a thousand people had demonstrated, several waved placards saying "Stop Big Government" and "Taxation is Piracy".

There were many, many "Tea Bags" brought to the "Tea Party&#39s"... ergo "Tea Bag Party" if they&#39d had any sense they would have bought it in bulk, it&#39s cheaper and it&#39s better.

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JSpencer — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:55:30 -0000

Ah yes, more apologism. I have to wonder what percentage of americans even have enough critical thinking ability to discern the difference between new and opinion?

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Andy — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:37:18 -0000

A few points:

Hannity&#39s show is an opinion show, not a "news" show. If you want a news show on Fox, watch Shep Smith&#39s.

Secondly, opinion shows are all about the narrative. Olbermann, Maddow have their narratives too, as do many others who host opinion and talk type of shows. And guess, what, Jon Stewart has a narrative. So I don&#39t get too upset about it, but it seems there are a lot of people out there who lack enough self-awareness to understand that the "news" they like is just as narrative-driven as the "news" they don&#39t like.

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DLS — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:28:21 -0000

"The issue is Stewart&#39s bit: was it good, lousey [sic]? Out of line?"

Actually, the real issue is if this was an accident or mistake by Hannity, or if it was deliberate (which is to say, dishonest). It&#39s not a big deal any longer -- it was wrong and Hannity admitted it (and obviously will now be under more scrutiny, at least until the wariness subsides). But that was the real issue.

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JSpencer — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:26:46 -0000

Great post Sil! My best dog was an aussie I had for 14 years. My current dog is a young aussie my vet thinks is part border collie but she acts sort of like a heeler. Since there are no herding activities for her here (other than the cats) she is obsessed with her frisbee and tennis ball. She is a great dog though, smart as a whip, and of course thinks I&#39m god. ;-) - although is distrustful of strangers - unlike my last aussie who loved everyone. Apologies for digressing from politics, blame it on Sil. ;-)

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tidbits — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:26:33 -0000

The odd part about the term "tea bag" associated with these protests, is that it was initally used by the protesters themselves, until its double meaning became apparent.

Indeed, they went so far as to put up a "Tea Bag Party". Their website, promoting the sending of tea bags to Washington as a tax protest, is still up at www.teabagparty.org . Just an interesting bit.

Humor is often the best way to shame the unprincipled. Stewart did a good job on Hannity.