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Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

1smartcookie1968 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:19:03 -0000

I, totally agree, StockBoySF. Shame is one of the emotions that pushes people to fabricate a story and perpetrate a fraud. AND, that is what this will be if it is found to be true. FRAUD! An elaborate tale has been dreamed up and FED to the public. {Palin’s “water broke” while on an extended trip to Texas, but she hopped a plane back home immediately to give birth in Alaska, “so desperate was she not to have her child born in Texas.”} WHAT A CROCK!!! I am speaking as a mother. How many of you, WOMEN, went into labor and was particular about where your child was born?!! Was your #1 concern the SAFE delivery of your unborn child??!! AND, if you KNEW that the unborn child would be born with some type of defect, would you be SELFISH and be more concerned with your choice of states that the child was born in??!! Come on, people! Let's not be sheep and believe things that bear further examination and questioning.

One more thing, if Bristol Palin feels that she is old enough to engage in sexual encounters, then a RESPONSIBLE mother should ensure that she step up and take on the responsibilities of a child created from those encounters. Isn't ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TRAITS FOR A LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY, RESPONSIBILITY??!!!!!!!!!!!

Just my 2 cents!

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

SpecialKRJ — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:18:34 -0000

Regarding the question of whether this is a personal matter that should be left alone...

Is it a personal matter or a matter of national significance whether or not a man had oral sex with an intern? If we go by Republican precedent, this, and anything else that we might consider 'personal', is fair game.

I believe that it is perfectly alright to wonder and be curious and look into this further. To voice skepticism over the mother of the child is -not- attacking Palin.

Yes, I realize that this is an incredibly late reply. Sorry!

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

JaneSwanleigh — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:21:48 -0000

I don't believe any parent should "inculcate" their children with their personal beliefs. By all means expose them to your religion and morals, but children must come to their own faith willingly.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

JaneSwanleigh — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:13:05 -0000

Actually leaking amniotic fluid is quite different that "water breaking", as I personally have experienced both. I leaked fluid for eight days with my first pregnancy. The baby was monitored continuously after seven days of leaking, then I was induced after 24 hours or so of monitoring when the fluid levels within my womb finally started to diminish. My second pregnancy, by contrast, the fluid broke with a rush and I had a c-section within 12 hours.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

tsw22 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:01:43 -0000

I totally agree with ORockwell. I can't believe people are buying this! "Bristol is pregnant" is the response to "Who gave birth to Trig?" Come on, this needs to be investigated! This woman did not fly 8 hours to Alaska and then drive to some remote location WHILE IN LABOR. She went to some small town where the "mono-infected for ? months" Bristol was able to quietly give birth to Trig and hand him over to his grandmother.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

ORockwell — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:05:31 -0000

Wait a minute, all you naysayers now:

Consider this:

Don't you think it's wierd-- and incredibly coincidental-- that Palin's rebuttal to the claim that she shielded her own daughter from pregnancy, is that her own daughter is now.....PREGNANT?

What are the odds of this?

It's ridiculous-- it looks more like a cover of a cover, a lie designed to hide a lie. The best rebuttal to the rumor would be reliable pictures of her truly pregnant, not just denials and the claim that the daughter is NOW pregnant!

What you wanna bet that-- a month from now-- the daughter suddenly "loses" the baby. If that happened, would you believe her even more?

None of this is credible-- it sounds like a cover story. Maybe there's nothing to it, but this "rebuttal" raises even more questions. Don't some of you see this?

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

capricorn1 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:18:01 -0000

Jackie M and Chico... There is a stark differance between admitted mistakes, embellishments etc that Biden made some more than 20 years old and what Palin has brought down on herself and her family since the announcement on Friday.
What she has done is calculated, knowing full well she would be properly vetted by the Dems and all would come to light.There are no less than 6 scandals that have come to light in the last 48 hrs. alone involving Palin that have not even hit the press yet because of the hurricane. It was, shamefully, a decision that McCain made in great haste.
Palin is no more qualified to be VP than I am. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it. The truly sad part is that she accepted the job of nominee while all the while knowing that just because she wasn't vetted properly by her own party, the Dem's would do it for them. So she drags her children into the national spotlight knowing full well what the consequences will be. NOT my kind of woman, NOT my kind of Mom and certainly Not my Kind of VP.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

flower27 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:31:31 -0000

Reality check. At age eighteen I had a 5½ lb baby born 5 weeks early. I barely looked pregnant. Nine months and twenty-six days later I had another 5 ½ lb baby, born 4 weeks early. Again, I barely looked pregnant. (If we had had sex education in school 40 years ago I might have known how easy it is to get pregnant again right after delivery.) So, Bristol Palin could have had a baby in April and be pregnant again.

Pictures of a so-called pregnant Sarah Palin prove nothing. She is just shown wearing a baggy top. If someone is pretending to be pregnant, that’s what they would do.

If she was really pregnant she definitely showed poor judgment in her eighth month.
The Governor, a vocal anti-choice Republican, chose to return to Alaska to have her 5th child despite the following risk factors:
1. She was leaking amniotic fluid (her water broke) increasing the risk of infection.
2. She was 44 years old, a risky age for childbirth.
3. The baby she was carrying had known “special challenges” (down syndrome)
4. The child was one full month premature.
5. She flew from Texas to Alaska on a commercial airline (Alaska Airlines) while while leaking amniotic fluid, a 10 or more hour flight depending on the length and location of her layover.
6. She did not inform any of the airline staff of her condition.
7. She by-passed hospitals in Anchorage to go to a small town hospital. However, Mat-Su Regional Medical Center does not reflect the baby was born there:
8. Bristol missed several weeks of school at the time Trig was born.

No one really cares if Bristol is really the mother of Trig. What they care about is if Sarah Palin instigated an elaborate cover-up, making a hospital and medical staff part of it. Unfortunately, if she did, the people that were in on it probably aren’t talking.

If she wants my vote, she had better come up with some undeniable proof that she’s not lying.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

DeenaLarsen — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:49:54 -0000

We should just drop the issue of the pregnancy as it involves a minor.

However, here is something from Palin's own voice that she can not deny.

I was appalled to hear this clip where Sara Palin laughs when a talk radio announcer calls one of her political rivals "a b**** and a cancer". The woman referred to is a cancer survivor.

http://video.google.com/vid...

The Anchorage Daily news reported this on January 25th, 2008 http://www.adn.com/opinion/...

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

mcpalin — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:39:23 -0000

I've looked at some (don't know if I caught them all) of those pictures supposedly showing that Sarah Palin was pregnant, and none of them looked particularly or even marginally convincing to me. However, even though I'm not particularly thrilled to be commenting on young girls' parts, the young lady in question's breasts did get markedly larger, and far more than you could reasonably attribute to merely growing older, during the time period in question. Baby bump be damned, when a woman is pregnant, she gains weight not only in the bump area and the chest, but her face, often her arms and legs (some might be swelling) and the daughter looked like it, the mother did not.

As for today's announcement about the daughter being five months pregnant, well, we only have their word for it that it is indeed five months, if they lied to us about one thing, they can lie about another. Maybe its all a tempest in a teapot, but if so, why are the pictures disappearing from the website? Why did no one, not even her aides who work with her, know that she was pregnant? Why did no one suspect? Why no announcement until seven months into the pregnancy? Those are all very unusual things.

Also, there have been women who have gotten pregnant again almost immediately after giving birth, its certainly more likely to happen with a teenage girl who is at the height of her fertility, who has now been demonstrably sexually active, and who clearly hasn't been taught enough about birth control or is afraid of being caught with birth control. And given the interesting coincidence of timing, and that the due date could be fudged a few weeks one way or another without anyone being able to prove it, it doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility that she's been pregnant TWICE in recent history.

Even assuming that the first pregnancy rumor is complete bunk, and taking the Palins and the McCain camp at their word for everything, and Trig is Gov. Palin's child, she still showed remarkable irresponsibility and carelessness in flying out at eight months pregnant in the first place, she showed even more stupidity and negligence in not going immediately to the hospital after her water broke, doing a speech, hanging around the event, and then getting on an eight hour plane flight to go back to some backwater hospital in Alaska instead of whatever facilities are available in Texas (and more likely SUPERIOR facilities available) for what they by their own admission knew was likely to be a more high risk pregnancy and a baby who they knew would have special needs at a minimum.

I'm not exactly impressed at this point with Ms. Palin's parenting skills, much less her judgment, and that's assuming that everything she has claimed is true. Her eldest son enlisted in the army last Sept. 11th, and is about to be shipped to Iraq, and yet by her own admission, she's not been following what's going on in Iraq very closely. Excuse me? Your son has been destined to go into a war zone for almost a year and yet you haven't bothered to learn enough to have an opinion about what's going on in that war zone? The same cannot be said for a lot of parents who have children about to be sent into harm's way in Iraq.

Meanwhile, even though you're an ardent right wing evangelical with strongly held religious beliefs and beliefs about birth control and abortion, you apparently haven't managed to inculcate those beliefs with your eldest daughter. Now, admittedly, many parents are ignorant of their childrens' sexual behavior, and the child of parents with such beliefs has a greatly added motivation for secrecy until something like this happens and she cannot hide it, but clearly you didn't adequately convey your beliefs to at least one of your children, and if she fessed up as soon as she learned she was pregnant, which could have been as long as four months ago, and they intend to marry, why isn't she married to the fellow already? What were you waiting for? If its a minimum age issue, its unlikely the parents would have withheld their consent under the circumstances, well, certainly HERS wouldn't have, why on earth would you agree to run for VP before the girl was married and basically set her up for national public derision as an unwed pregnant mother?

The parents SET HER UP for this kind of public humiliation and embarrassment, and if the McCain campaign knew in advance, they did as well, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for doing it to their own child, for putting their own political ambitions before the wellbeing of both a pregnant unwed teenage girl and before a newborn baby with Downs Syndrome. Its not at all shocking or unexpected that the public or the press would run with this, given how little is known about the Veep candidate, but the adults in this scenario should have known better and put their families FIRST.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

minnesotagop — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:23:30 -0000

Now the word is that Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant. So much for abstinence-based sex education. McCain claims he knew of this before naming Sarah Palin as his running mate. I have my doubts. I predict that in the next couple of weeks Palin will "withdraw" her name from the ticketing citing concerns for her family and McCain will name Mn Governor Tim Pawlenty as his new running mate.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

LindysMom — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:31:12 -0000

Move over, Kathryn and I will share the "unevolved" bench with you! I had never heard of Sarah Palin until this past week and my first thought was "How can this woman possibly run for VP of our nation with 4 children at home to raise, the youngest being an infant with Downs. What kind of mother does that?!" Not only that, but her husband spends his summers at sea on a commercial fishing boat so he's not around while they are out of school! I'm the 45 year-old mother of a 6 year-old and I gave up my corporate career to stay home with our daughter. I've not regretted it for one moment! I, too, believe women can have it all, just not necessarily at the same time. Our children MUST come first. If we can't put them first, we shouldn't have them!

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

chicos_bail_bonds — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:05:38 -0000

If you want Capricorn, take a look at the video again, he even lies there. Talking about the Casey boys and how he knew then (when he was a Scranton native) that they would grow up to be great men. Only problem with that is that one of the Casey boys would have been -7 years old. That takes talent knowing that one of the boys he predicted great things for wouldn't even be born until 7 years after Biden left Scranton.

It's being picky, in my opinion, but Biden has told some whoppers over the years as have almost all politicians, on both sides of the aisle.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

chicos_bail_bonds — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:03:07 -0000

Yes, I've been voting since 1976. How about you? I consider plagiarism lies, Joe Biden plagiarized. That's just start number one. There are plenty of others. Politicians lie, this just in. From both sides.

And yes, I think he's drunk as a skunk in that video. I know a drunk when I see one, I've been on this earth more than half a century....he's drunk there.

It was revealed today that Bristol, the 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant and will marry the father. They will keep the baby. Good for them.

It's also now without doubt that Sarah Palin's baby is hers and the smear that was portrayed the last few days was disgusting.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

JackieM — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:45:39 -0000

Sorry.... that last post was a reply to...
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capricorn1

"Chico, Please do not make general statements. They do nothing to further your cause. While admitedly Joe Biden has periodically been guilty of footn'mouth disease, please enlighten us all and give us the facts on Joe Biden's lying habits.
thank you"
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Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

JackieM — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:38:25 -0000

Here, this should give you a good start.. And you could try just Googling Biden lies.
I can't believe you even made that comment. LOL

http://www.delawaregrapevin...

http://www.chicagotribune.c...

http://www.suntimes.com/new...

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

Jazz — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:28 -0000

And now we're on to Update #4. The portion of this story relating to the youngest son's paternity seriously looks like it's falling apart. Also, a new post was put up today with the more recent info and pictures.

(Of course, the rest of the original list of complaints about Palin's background and vetting still stand. But the baby thing seems to have been a total red herring.)

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

minnesotagop — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:40:42 -0000

While it is true that it is unlikely for a 16-year old to give birth to a Down's syndrome baby, it is just as unlikely that a healthy 16-year old would have to miss four months of school due to mononucleosis.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

sjones77 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:34:36 -0000

If I were Sarah Palin and if it really was my baby and if it were my daughter's reputation which was being tarnished in the press -- even for one hour, much less for days -- I would immediately release every single medical record pertaining to my pregnancy that exists, and I would make sure the media immediately got copies. Then I would hold a press conference scolding bloggers and media types for perpetrating these falsehoods.

However, Palin has not done so. Which leads me to wonder why not.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

shellbeach — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:05:27 -0000

I agree. Here are some highlights of my life. As a child of unmarried parents, raised for 5 years by a 70 plus old grandmother, childrens home, 3 foster homes and another childrens home for a total of 12 years. Attended 8 high schools during senior year in high school and then graduated college. Air Force officer barely before and during Vietnam War during which time I found my father, 2 half-brothers and a half-sister and European relatives, city councilwoman, elder relative care, marriage, dairy farmer, raising children, divorce, still raising children, bookdealer & rental, still raising children and a six year survivor of cancer. They have all now finished college and beyond and are responsible working adults. One is a lawyer, another is a pilot and works in safety for Boeing, and the other is an environment health specialist. Now...to go on to my next career which will be ? So am I more or just as qualified to be Vice President then Palin?

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

capricorn1 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:27:16 -0000

Chico....are you even old enough to vote? The sapposed drunk Joe Biden video that you site make you look pre-k. Stick with the facts and we will all be good.

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

capricorn1 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:02:32 -0000

Chico, Please do not make general statements. They do nothing to further your cause. While admitedly Joe Biden has periodically been guilty of footn'mouth disease, please enlighten us all and give us the facts on Joe Biden's lying habits.
thank you

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

truthb4hate — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:14:10 -0000

This is ridiculous.

The picture some are using as "proof" is actually from way back in 2006
http://www.adn.com/photos/v...

And there are plenty of pictures of Gov. Palin pregnant
http://farm4.static.flickr....

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

groovy — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:27:33 -0000

However, Bristol is pregnant. Right now.

Here's the proof:

http://www.mccainblogette.c...

scroll almost all the way down.
the picture is titled "Getting ready for the People Magazine photo shoot."

Re: The Fully Vetted Sarah Palin

groovy — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:15:17 -0000

this rumor is not true. see this link:

http://surberpictures.blogs...