The Moderate Voice - Latest Comments in The Obama Speech

Re: The Obama Speech

ChrisWWW — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:37:34 -0000

jchem,
I don't mean to say that the GOP wont try, I just don't think it will be effective, or at least nearly as effective as the Bush albatross.

Re: The Obama Speech

jchem — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:16:16 -0000

"I know some pretty liberal people, and after a week of Biden coverage, they still don't even know who he is."

Great point Chris. But I'll put my money on the Repubs making hay out of Congress' performance since the Dems took over and their mouthpieces will chant the mantra. Bush will certainly dog them, but that won't stop them from bringing it up.

Re: The Obama Speech

ChrisWWW — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:56:22 -0000

jchem,
Bush and Cheney have succeeded in "deballing" Congress. No one knows or cares who Pelosi and Reid are. I know some pretty liberal people, and after a week of Biden coverage, they still don't even know who he is.

Re: The Obama Speech

jchem — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:44:38 -0000

"Don't you dare compare him to two politicians that most people don't know!"

So Pelosi being the first female speaker of the House didn't garner any attention? And Reid being the Senate Majority Leader of a Senate with one of the lowest approval ratings in history?

http://www.realclearpolitic...

I guarantee you that between now and November, the Right's mouthpieces will make sure everyone in the country knows who they are.

Re: The Obama Speech

ChrisWWW — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:19:37 -0000

So where is their self criticism? Does Obama = Pelosi? Does Biden = Reid?

Oh no... I bet Obama is quakin in his boots right now. Don't you dare compare him to two politicians that most people don't know!

Meanwhile, Bush is very well known and absolutely despised by most of the country.

Re: The Obama Speech

jchem — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:06:41 -0000

George,

Where did you get the idea that I was going to "vote for more of the same"? I just pointed out how often the D's vote with each other and how I think the R's could use that next week. I mean, it's not like Pelosi and Reid are all that popular either.

And speaking of facts:

"When doing so, they [voters] may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year...So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career."

http://www.factcheck.org/as...

It's obvious you have your preferred candidate; and that's great. But I have a hard time understanding how I can be accused of "wanting more of the same" by simply asking questions about both sides and looking for facts. Call me a right winger if you want because I don't share your zeal. True "moderation" indeed.

Re: The Obama Speech

GeorgeSorwell — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:41:13 -0000

If you think Republicans have done a poor job leading our country, why would you vote for more of the same?

Facts are truly facts.

Re: The Obama Speech

jchem — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:04:54 -0000

I wouldn't be one to dispute McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time (I mean, facts are facts!). But Leonidas brings up a good point about how often Obama and Biden vote with their party (Pelosi and Reid). I wouldn't be surprised if we here more of this next week. That would be a sure fire way to rally their base.

Re: The Obama Speech

GeorgeSorwell — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:14:13 -0000

Give me a break!

McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time since 2001. He brought up his average by voting with Bush 95% of the time in 2007--the year he really had to pander to the base.

McCain is pretty much the same as Bush!

Annual averages since 2001 available at the link!!!

Re: The Obama Speech

Leonidas — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:45:14 -0000

Good commentary. Its funny to see Democrats attack McCain after years of praising him, and to watch them try to evoke the McCain=Bush myth. When they are confident enough in themselves maybe they can get around to an actual Obama vs McCain discussion, but I wouldn't count on it.

McCain has voted with Republicans 83% making him the 65th most partisan Senator. Biden has voted with Democrats 96.6% of the time making his the 8th most partisan senator and Obama isn't far behind at 96% making him the 11th most partisan. So where is their self criticism? Does Obama = Pelosi? Does Biden = Reid? No thats not a message they want to get out is it?

Re: The Obama Speech

JSpencer — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:30:52 -0000

Calling McCain one of the greenest republicans out there isn't a very impressive measure, except perhaps to other republicans. Rather than checking his creds at a partisan site, I suggest going to the independent league of conservation voters site. There we can see his environmental voting record is significantly less impressive than Obama's.