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Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

casualobserver — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:27:00 -0000

Americans support the economic-stimulus plan being pushed by President-elect Barack Obama but worry the government will spend too much money and widen the budget deficit, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found.

Given the implied non-sequitur, those being polled must have an IQ of -5.

Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

DLS — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:32:15 -0000

1. Those "conservatives" are DC establishment "conservatives" and there&#39s no need to fear or loathe them, obviously.

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2. I&#39d not be so hype-ridden about Obama but just rely on something like this, which is quite positive, which is understandable.

http://people-press.org/report/483/confidence-i...

3. Some on the Left are, as usual, ridiculous in their lack of realism. Michigan&#39s governor here is notorious lately for this (the silliness about the industry-saving electric car and "green jobs" in the hundreds of thousands is sickening), as are the more stupid activists in this state (absolutely opposed to a new reactor at Fermi on "environmental" [sic] grounds; absolute opposition to _all_ new coal plants and wanting the state to be _forced_ to adopt alternative energy, which _will_ magically become practical and economical; how, they fail to explain).

4. Loser-vote-buying populist schemes appealing to envy and other baser motives and instincts repel those of us brought up better, but there are economic grounds to be made for "bottom-loaded" economic policy decisions, as described here by Moody&#39s. (States as well as the feds should take note, as Dems stand to buy votes everywhere as a result of such policies intended "temporarily" to combat the recession.)

www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/assissing-...

5. The anti-automobile, forced-public-collective-transport loonies won&#39t like it (nor, say, the APTA unless public transit gets money thrown at it as well), but I thought of a classic loser-vote-buying move Obama could make that would improve the environment while helping our failed Detroit auto makers. In the past, it has been stated more than once that it would be cheaper to give new cars to people with older cars than to spend money on some environmental quality-related programs. Why doesn&#39t Obama set up a "free car" or "car exchange" or "car buyback" [sic] program wherein people with older cars would receive in exchange a new car, ideally a GM, Ford, or Chrysler car, so as to help Detroit as well as improve air quality and buy votes? Start in the inner, old central cities and work outward beginning at the inner-ring suburbs, i.e., starting with traditional Dem voters and working outward into the suburbs where the Dems are fighting the GOP for nation-wide political supremacy. It improves air quality, with smaller vehicles reduces fuel consumption, buys votes, and (if all or at least half the vehicles are Detroit vehicles or purchased in bulk along with others for government use -- I already have discussed fleets for government as a Detroit sop) helps Detroit. Go ahead, Obama. Reward mainly Dem voters with new, "free" small Detroit cars.

Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

casualobserver — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:27:00 -0000

Given the implied non-sequitur, those being polled must have an IQ of -5.

Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

DLS — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:32:15 -0000

1. Those "conservatives" are DC establishment "conservatives" and there's no need to fear or loathe them, obviously.

* * *

2. I'd not be so hype-ridden about Obama but just rely on something like this, which is quite positive, which is understandable.

http://people-press.org/rep...

3. Some on the Left are, as usual, ridiculous in their lack of realism. Michigan's governor here is notorious lately for this (the silliness about the industry-saving electric car and "green jobs" in the hundreds of thousands is sickening), as are the more stupid activists in this state (absolutely opposed to a new reactor at Fermi on "environmental" [sic] grounds; absolute opposition to _all_ new coal plants and wanting the state to be _forced_ to adopt alternative energy, which _will_ magically become practical and economical; how, they fail to explain).

4. Loser-vote-buying populist schemes appealing to envy and other baser motives and instincts repel those of us brought up better, but there are economic grounds to be made for "bottom-loaded" economic policy decisions, as described here by Moody's. (States as well as the feds should take note, as Dems stand to buy votes everywhere as a result of such policies intended "temporarily" to combat the recession.)

www.economy.com/mark-zandi/...

5. The anti-automobile, forced-public-collective-transport loonies won't like it (nor, say, the APTA unless public transit gets money thrown at it as well), but I thought of a classic loser-vote-buying move Obama could make that would improve the environment while helping our failed Detroit auto makers. In the past, it has been stated more than once that it would be cheaper to give new cars to people with older cars than to spend money on some environmental quality-related programs. Why doesn't Obama set up a "free car" or "car exchange" or "car buyback" [sic] program wherein people with older cars would receive in exchange a new car, ideally a GM, Ford, or Chrysler car, so as to help Detroit as well as improve air quality and buy votes? Start in the inner, old central cities and work outward beginning at the inner-ring suburbs, i.e., starting with traditional Dem voters and working outward into the suburbs where the Dems are fighting the GOP for nation-wide political supremacy. It improves air quality, with smaller vehicles reduces fuel consumption, buys votes, and (if all or at least half the vehicles are Detroit vehicles or purchased in bulk along with others for government use -- I already have discussed fleets for government as a Detroit sop) helps Detroit. Go ahead, Obama. Reward mainly Dem voters with new, "free" small Detroit cars.

Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

elrod — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:17:33 -0000

Honestly, I didn&#39t read many liberal bloggers upset over the dinner with conservatives. There was talk that liberals might end up worried. But I haven&#39t seen any indication that they are.

Re: Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll: Americans Strongly Back Obama And Stimulus Proposals

elrod — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:17:33 -0000

Honestly, I didn't read many liberal bloggers upset over the dinner with conservatives. There was talk that liberals might end up worried. But I haven't seen any indication that they are.