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Re: Welcome to J Street

runasim — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:39:20 -0000

DLS-

Now that you've put ''sophisticated' and 'nuanced'' in the same sentence with
'insane with blind leftist hatred toward Israel', I realize that rational thought has no part in your comment on a post about J Street.

Re: Welcome to J Street

DLS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:05:20 -0000

"by equating "lefties" with swastikas (especially Jewish "lefties")"

I'm more sophisticated (or as the fluffy say, "nuanced") about this, as well as knowing the distinction between AIPAC and Jewish Americans in the USA, who are hugely liberal and Democratic -- but not always insane with blind leftist hatred toward Israel. The other lefties should probably pay more attention to these people.

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DLS — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:03:32 -0000

"DLS, I've seen paranoia from you before, but this takes the cake."

You've outdone yourself with irony this time.

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Jim_Satterfield — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:14:48 -0000

Holly, I really doubt you're that liberal on foreign relations issues. Your happiness with Lieberman and McCain shows that.

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Holly_in_Cincinnati — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:30:42 -0000

Actually, this new group is useless. Most of us Jewish liberals (even left-leaning ones) are reasonably happy with AIPAC.

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runasim — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:15:52 -0000

:Have things really gotten to the point where even JEWS cannot avoid being called Nazis if they don't automatically support every Israel policy ever made?"

That's why I welcome this new development. The growing, and to me, extemely worrying, anti-Israel sentiment In the US is fueled by the extremism of AIPAC and the like. It's predominance as the 'Israeli voice". completely skews understanding of Israel. I think AIPAC also aids and abets some very short-sighted decisions made in Washington.

Having AIPAC shallenged is the best thing that could happen, for both Israel and the US.
Welcome, J Street.

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Mike_P — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:12:44 -0000

DLS, by equating "lefties" with swastikas (especially Jewish "lefties"), it was you who self identified as a loser right up front. There's no need for any of the rest of us, left or right, to invoke Godwin.

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Lynx — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:13:01 -0000

"The only thing that's missing from the PC lefties' arsenal is the swastika."

DLS, I've seen paranoia from you before, but this takes the cake. Are you really venturing to accuse left leaning JEWS of being ANTI-SEMITES?!!! Have things really gotten to the point where even JEWS cannot avoid being called Nazis if they don't automatically support every Israel policy ever made?!

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ChrisWWW — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:36:12 -0000

Negotiating is not embracing. Now say it with me: Negotiating is not embracing

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DLS — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:30:46 -0000

"The power of Jewish lobbyists in Washington is mythic."

We've valued oil, and continue to value oil, more than we ever care about Israel. Almost all the time, Americans rarely or never think of Israel, as opposed to, say, oil (or motor vehicle fuel) prices. We've routinely sold out Israel and simply have not been as bad as other nations as treating it as the Czechs were treated in Munich in 1938 (such as with the "Road Map" ramming down Israel's throat and trying to confer legitimacy of some kind to a "Palestinian nation" despite vicious criminal activity by the same group against Israelis).

Is a future Democratic administration going to be like Jimmy Carter and actually embrace criminal terrorists? (Is he becoming senile or just seeking another PC-mediated Nobel Peace Prize awarded to slam the "evil neo-cons," who, if you were to stupidly rely on lefties' descriptions all too often, actually are largely mythic in their influence? They were never the only influence in the Bush administration and have largely slunk away given the failures of the occupation in Iraq after the war.)

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DLS — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:21:10 -0000

The only thing that's missing from the PC lefties' arsenal is the swastika.

(And if you say "Godwin's Law," you're identifying yourself as a loser immediately.)

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DLS — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:15 -0000

It's always hilarious to see the Left PC-ape the rare extreme right insofar as Israel is concerned, and demand b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a pro-terrorism-and-evil "balance" [sic].

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Marlowecan — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:10:44 -0000

Tip O'Neill, the longtime Democratic Speaker of the House, in his book "Man of the House" had a funny story in this regard.

Jimmy Carter, just after his inauguration, made the President's customary journey to Capitol Hill. Upon settling down with O'Neill in his office, Carter's first question was: "So how powerful is the Jewish lobby?"

Four years later, in the same office, O'Neill welcomed President Reagan...and laughed at Reagan's opening question: "So, how strong really is the Jewish lobby?"

The power of Jewish lobbyists in Washington is mythic.
I wonder if, in Europe and the Muslim world, the ideological differences with the newly proposed group will be recognized at all?

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PaulSilver — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:45 -0000

As a Jewish American with relatives in Jerusalem I welcome a movement to bring balance to US policy on Israel.

I believe the path to peace in that area is the return of the annexed lands and an aggressive outreach to moderate Palestinians and Muslims.