DISQUS

GreenDreams · 5 months ago

I'll withhold judgment on this one. The vile tripe that the DOJ put in that letter was deplorable, and I'm for equal rights for every American. However, let's remember that gays are about 10% of citizens, while the economic, health and energy issues are about 100% of the population. Obviously, Bush didn't openly invite gays to the White House. Indeed, no one has done this in our entire history. It's a step, and important symbolically. We'll see how the policy follow through is when some of our more universal pressing issues are behind us. Easy for me to say, of course. I'm heterosexual.

Dr J · 5 months ago

I agree, GreenDreams. Gay groups have won a lot in the past few decades, and to throw tantrums now suggests a lack of perspective. I mean, sure, it would be great if gay boys were free to get their bits blown off in Iraq or wherever just like their straight countrymen, but personally I'd put higher priority on health care, the economy, and global stability.

shannonlee · 5 months ago

I disagree. I think a lot of "moderates" voted for Obama because of his general morality, including what he said about gay rights. I have this feeling that you are never going to get what you want from Obama because there will always something more important for him to do.

I think the Dem party has decided to screw over gays in the hopes of keeping the Christian vote in the future.

I think gays and pro-choicers are going to get left behind so the Dem party can stay in office.

This is just the beginning. If you sit back and take it, they'll think it is okay.

I could be completely wrong here, but I truly believe the Dem party at the national level has made this policy. You'll get local support, support from the House, but nationally, you'll get nothing done.

Dr J · 5 months ago

Shannon, you're right that Democrats are giving gay-specific issues lower priority than health care, the economy and so on. You're wrong that they're trying to "keep" the Christian vote. No Democrats in their right minds would want to wrestle that millstone off the Republicans' necks.

The Democrats are not betraying us moderate gay voters who lead multi-issue lives--at least not in this specific way. I have a keen interest in the economy and health care, and only a symbolic one in seeing DADT repealed. I'd rather they focus on the bigger issues.

Gay activists on the hard left may consider it a betrayal, but their paychecks depend on them being never satisfied. If they said, "yeah, this gay issue can wait a year while we deal with X or Y or Z" their funding would dry up faster than a bottle of Stoli on an Atlantis cruse.

I feel for the activists, victims of their own success. They have to be constantly complaining, and the more the last round of complaining got done, the more Sharptonesque they have to look. I sympathize with their tough job, but the truth is they're not speaking for me or my priorities.

James_P · 5 months ago

The ball is in Obama's court. While I, for one, am very appreciative of this reception, it is in now way a substitute for action by the President to make progress on marriage equality, employment non-discrimination and ending the military's ban on "openly" gay soldiers.
As we find ourselves at the 40th anniversary of Stonewall, the gay population has unprecedented clout. It's time to starting acting that way. No other segment of society that possesses substantial economic power would tolerate legal inequality and second class status and we must not, either. Crumbs thrown from the table and token gestures do not suffice.

shannonlee · 5 months ago

James, maybe the fact that you are appreciative of the reception is part of the problem. Gays should boycott all Dem events until the Dem party starts caring enough to doing something instead of pretending to care.

Sorry, but there is nothing stopping the Dems and Obama from helping you right now...NOTHING. They just aren't willing to risk the political costs.

shannonlee · 5 months ago

LOL, instead of rights, we'll give you a reception!

The gay rights movement is collateral damage to the Democratic party political agenda.

It is like the Dems are saying, "We can change the world, but gay rights is one issue too many".

DLS · 5 months ago

In today's news here in Detroit, the editor of one of the two main newspapers published his own note criticizing Obama about gays in the military:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/nolanfinleyb...

James_P · 5 months ago

Shannon, Yet they are not willing to risk to the political costs, and it is our job to both work toward creating a climate where they will make the tough decisions, and to apply pressure to make sure it gets done. But the rest of what you are saying is very naive. There are two sets of people here - those with power and those without power. The administration and the politicians in office have power. They do not hold that power at the sole behest of gay people, but because they get enough support from enough people. Our task is to apply pressure when and how we are able to, without burning bridges. That does not mean compromising basic principles, it means being realistic. Severing all ties with Democrats and refusing to talk with them until they do everything we want on our timetable is to try to exercise an option we simply do not possess. Again , we need to apply pressure where and how we can, not be dreamers and pretend that throwing a tantrum is going to accomplish anything. It won't, and if he really wanted to, Obama could write us off, and his presidency would likely survive anyway.

Silhouette · 5 months ago

I wonder, were the polygamists also represented in today's hooplah? If not, why not?

No, really....why not?

They've been pleading for recognition far far longer than same-gender fetishes. Why are they put out while the red carpet is rolled out for the others?

GeorgeSorwell · 5 months ago

How about serial monogamists? No hooplah for them?

Father_Time · 5 months ago

Wait a minute, there are no gay kids growing up in rual Missouri.

List them all here immediately!

shannonlee · 5 months ago

I think I should have clarified my "Christian vote" remark a little better. I believe a lot of Christian Rep voters crossed over from Bush to Obama in the last election. There was also a strong turnout of conservative black and hispanic voters for Obama....whose social beliefs actually fit the Rep party's "moral majority" marketing campaign much better.

It isn't the Palin Christian that voted for the Dems last cycle. It was the moderate Christian that isn't big on gay rights and might be more pro-life than pro-choice.

These are the people the Dems believe will keep them in power.

Dr J · 5 months ago

Good points, Shannon.

GreenDreams · 5 months ago

Hispanics are a more important factor, and the GOP will surely continue to drive them out with their racist immigration posturing and Sotomayor opposition. I don't think the administration fears a backlash for reaching out to the LGBT community, or they would not have this reception.