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AustinRoth · 1 month ago

You better hope not!

Committee Confirms: Comply With Pelosi-Care Or Go To Jail

jchem · 1 month ago

Never mind the fact that Pelosi has gone back on her promise to put any final health care bill up on line for 72 hours before a vote

Now this is a knee slapper if there was one. 72 hours to read, digest, and completely understand a 2,000 page doorstop?

SteveK · 1 month ago

Never mind the fact that Pelosi has gone back on her promise to put any final health care bill up on line for 72 hours before a vote

From your inference Jazz can I assume that you're inline with the "NO" (read republican) side of this issue?

The republicans intentionally waited until after any possibility of a 72 hour period after a final bill was online before they submitted their version which they insisted be considered before a vote.

Jazz Shaw pays attention to what is happening in politics and knows what's going on and has no excuse for intentional spreading misinformation BUT still he presents this story as if the Democrats are to blame.

Some wonder why the right is out in the cold... Here's a hint: It's because they don't realize that BS freezes, too.

Jazz · 1 month ago

I will at least give you credit for being hilarious, Steve.
"The republicans intentionally waited until after any possibility of a 72 hour period after a final bill was online before they submitted their version which they insisted be considered before a vote."

So the world ends on Saturday? Pelosi schedules the votes for all intents and purposes. If the Republican proposal came on Friday she could schedule it for Tuesday and the GOP couldn't stop her. Nice try,though. Very amusing.

SteveK · 1 month ago

I will at least give you credit for being hilarious, Steve.

And you get no (read zero) credit for trying to play stupid. The republicans will continue to stall this vote until the holiday recess... till the August recess... till 2011 and you know it.

Your response... "I will at least give you credit for being hilarious, Steve." speaks volumes.

TheSenate · 1 month ago

The republicans have stalled this since 1912....when it was first introduced!!!!! They just dont like the fact that the constitution is 5/6 liberal and or progressive in nature....

ProfElwood · 1 month ago

We've already covered this. The constitution as intended (see Article I section 8 and federalist paper #41) would allow the states to do what they wanted, but not congress. The constitution as it's currently used (living document, meaning the supreme court will read it as they want) has only a few limitations on either spending or freedom.

ProfElwood · 1 month ago

In reality, this bill changes nothing. There's no real cost control, other than rationing, no increased competition, no breakup of the government created insurance and medical monopolies. It's going to increase costs on all of us, and the AMA, the AARP, and the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to bank.

The Democrats could have surprised us with a small, readable bill that repealed McCarran-Ferguson and eliminated the tax penalty for buying individual plans, then watched the Republicans desperately defend the monopolies and laws that got into this mess. We don't even have time to write letters and get them delivered on time.

Pelosi has shown her hand, and she's got one finger raised.

SteveK · 1 month ago

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SteveK · 1 month ago

Anyone who's worked under a manager (whether you liked them or not) understands the word "deadline" and like it or not Nancy Pelosi is now the Manager (Speaker) of the United States House of Representatives. As manager she has the duty and responsibility of coordinating the work done in the House.

Two years ago Jazz and his ilk were constantly berating the Democrats that didn't cooperate with the Republican Speaker but now they're playing stupid and just can't understand why the current Speaker should have any say matters at all.

Apparently they don't see the hypocrisy in their change in attitude but... Most people do.

AustinRoth · 1 month ago

can't understand why the current Speaker should have any say matters at all.

No, they just wonder why she lies through her teeth all the time, and why people like you defend her lies.

TheSenate · 1 month ago

And why did people like you defend Bush when he lied????? But then again when did she lie???

ProfElwood · 1 month ago

AustinRoth defended Bush? When did he do that?

SteveK · 1 month ago

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You can gaze out the window get mad and get madder,
throw your hands in the air, say "What does it matter?"
but it don't do no good to get angry,
so help me I know

For a heart stained in anger grows weak and grows bitter.
You become your own prisoner as you watch yourself sit there
wrapped up in a trap of your very own
chain of sorrow. - John Prine

jchem · 1 month ago

The Repubs may not be all that interested in this legislation, but the sad fact is that they are not needed. Every single one of them in both chambers can vote against it. The problem now, as it has been all summer long, is that the Dems cannot get their own party on board:

The apparent problem: Democrats have yet to resolve intraparty disputes over abortion funding and illegal immigrants' access to health care.

Intraparty disputes...If the Dems were truly interested in getting something done, as they have repeatedly said they were, they would tell the Repubs to go to hell and wallow away in the sand for awhile. With people like Bachman leading the opposition, it shouldn't be that hard to get your own party on board.

ProfElwood · 1 month ago

Pelosi isn't an idiot. House leaders do their counting before they call for a vote. I'd be greatly surprised if it doesn't pass this weekend.

DLS · 1 month ago

Good going, Jazz (both this thread, and carrying the vote on the air). Priorities!

Assuming this vote is affirmative, it clears the House and throws the issue on the Senate. Much is wrong with what these people are doing, but given how much they've been bungling in their overreach, I'm actually relieved and have even a perverse sense of enjoyment that they're getting out of HUA mode now.

Meanwhile, the Senate is in what mode, not only with health care "reform," but with "climate" legislation?

HUA.

More follies to come from these clowns! (Though it's not funny that the joke's on America and Americans.)

DLS · 1 month ago

"72 hours to read, digest, and completely understand a 2,000 page doorstop?"

Well, some among the public have to, even though they're derided for protesting after they learn what's in it, given that Congress and even their staffers are neglecting to read what they're voting on.

[guffaw -- snort, snort]

DLS · 1 month ago

"that the constitution is 5/6 liberal and or progressive in nature"

"as it's currently used (living document, meaning the supreme court will read it as they want) "

Meaning liberals and "progressives" want the courts to read it as liberals and "progressives" want, rather than what it really says and _means_...

And new mental health benefits included in any federal health care "reform" (takeover) won't cure this problem.

DLS · 1 month ago

"There's no real cost control, other than rationing, no increased competition, no breakup of the government created insurance and medical monopolies. It's going to increase costs on all of us, and the AMA, the AARP, and the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to bank."

This never was about reform, which would be easy and simple to implement and doesn't involve the public option. But, of course, the public option is the essence of what is being sought here, for what is being sought here is federal takeover of health care. The public would recoil at prompt federalization of everything ("Medicare for All"), and even extremist stunts like a Medicare buy-in or a throwback to obsolescent 1960s expectations of ever-diminishing retirement age (reversal of reality), with a new age 55 Medicare threshold (or other things like folding Medicaid into Medicare or creating a new Medicare entitlement for children, examples I've long provided as other incrementalist alternatives). Hence the indirect incrementalist "option" approach (rigged "competition" openly intended to displace and, in the future, replace the private insurers and related parties like HMOs).

The problem is that this not only has amounted to overreach, but, like so much sought this year by the lib Dems, is far left of the mainstream and is overreach that is now causing the party to founder and to fracture.

If Pelosi gets this vote done today, it's a public example that she's trying to get at least the House lib Dems to get going and resume making "progress" again. (It also puts pressure on Harry Reid and others in the Senate, obviously.)