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Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

DParker75089 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:10:33 -0000

You&#39re clearly not a U.S. constitional scholar either. Our process (of impeachment) does NOT involve the judiciary. Impeachments are handed down by the House of Representatives, and then tried in the Senate.

What you would consider appropriate couldn&#39t be more irrelevant. What matters is Honduran law, not your personal, ignorance-based preferences.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

DParker75089 — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:10:33 -0000

GreenDreams said...

"Well, as I said, I'm hardly a Honduran constitutional scholar, but our process involves the judiciary and the Congress, with the DOJ carrying out the rulings of the court (or not, as in BushCo justice). Having the military storm the White House is just about as far from what I would consider appropriate as one can get."

You're clearly not a U.S. constitional scholar either. Our process (of impeachment) does NOT involve the judiciary. Impeachments are handed down by the House of Representatives, and then tried in the Senate.

What you would consider appropriate couldn't be more irrelevant. What matters is Honduran law, not your personal, ignorance-based preferences.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

CriticalObserver — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:41:23 -0000

I posted this previously in another thread, but the congress UNANIMOUSLY voted to remove the president. The court UNANIMOUSLY upheld the ruling and issued a court order on behalf of the congress to remove the president.

Furthermore, the Honduran constitution clearly states that any attempts to change term limits are treason

This was an arrest, not a coup.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

CriticalObserver — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:41:23 -0000

Furthermore, the Honduran constitution clearly states that any attempts to change term limits are treason

This was an arrest, not a coup.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:41:01 -0000

In the case of impeachment it would just be the congress right? And in Honduras the military performs police functions and even oversees the elections so it would be quite different from here. Also one thing that keeps bothering me is the comparison to the US. As if they have to do it as we would to be ok or legal.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

GreenDreams — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:25:10 -0000

Well, as I said, I&#39m hardly a Honduran constitutional scholar, but our process involves the judiciary and the Congress, with the DOJ carrying out the rulings of the court (or not, as in BushCo justice). Having the military storm the White House is just about as far from what I would consider appropriate as one can get.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:16:38 -0000

But our congress can remove a president. If they give it to the courts is that really worse? The violation on the constitution is different with it carrying an automatic removal for any office so it&#39s not really a situation that could happen here. Really the court told him he couldn&#39t hold the referendum, prohibited distribution of the ballots, and he just ignored the court and the congress. Any violations they (courts and congress) may have made seem small and intended to get thing back to normal.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

GreenDreams — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:46:12 -0000

What if our Supreme Court directed the military to remove a sitting president? I don&#39t know the Honduran constitution, but that seems a pretty hefty club for a court to wield.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:36:04 -0000

Is the force that ousted him (the military) in control of the govt? If the govt is under Civil control then by definition I&#39m not sure it could be called a coup. That even ignores if the ousting was legal.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

DLS — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:47:49 -0000

There&#39s no reason to be neurotic about this, much less to engage in the tiresome far-left whining about Ft. Benning. At least two threads on this site have stooped this low already. Pathetic.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:41:01 -0000

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

GreenDreams — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:25:10 -0000

Well, as I said, I'm hardly a Honduran constitutional scholar, but our process involves the judiciary and the Congress, with the DOJ carrying out the rulings of the court (or not, as in BushCo justice). Having the military storm the White House is just about as far from what I would consider appropriate as one can get.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:16:38 -0000

But our congress can remove a president. If they give it to the courts is that really worse? The violation on the constitution is different with it carrying an automatic removal for any office so it's not really a situation that could happen here. Really the court told him he couldn't hold the referendum, prohibited distribution of the ballots, and he just ignored the court and the congress. Any violations they (courts and congress) may have made seem small and intended to get thing back to normal.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

GreenDreams — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:46:12 -0000

What if our Supreme Court directed the military to remove a sitting president? I don't know the Honduran constitution, but that seems a pretty hefty club for a court to wield.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

EEllis — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:36:04 -0000

Is the force that ousted him (the military) in control of the govt? If the govt is under Civil control then by definition I'm not sure it could be called a coup. That even ignores if the ousting was legal.

Re: Yes, It Is a Coup

DLS — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:47:49 -0000

There's no reason to be neurotic about this, much less to engage in the tiresome far-left whining about Ft. Benning. At least two threads on this site have stooped this low already. Pathetic.